Cancel Culture?

[Elen1107]

23 hours ago, JosephM said:

Don't know what you mean by fine print?

If i thought Europe or Canada was a better place to live than the US ..... i would move there.  What i have learned from those countries is that my family and i prefer to live in this great country of opportunity in spite of some peoples perception that the grass is somehow greener in the other country.

By fine print I mean; make sure that your spouse and or family will really be taken care of if you pass on. Sometimes they make you think that everything will be fine and fall into place, when the truth is that it is not and does not.

I've worked with people both from Canada and Germany. Both groups of people have told me that they think they have it better than we do. They work fewer hours, they have guaranteed healthcare, (this helps them not be so chained to 1 job and corporation), they have guaranteed  childcare, (don't need to worry if they will be able to take care of their children).

The folks I met from Germany told me that they had a 35 hr. work week, and 6 weeks vacation. This would make for a lot less burnout and even fewer heart attacks. It also creates more jobs, for every 7 people who aren't working those last 5 hrs. there's one more 35 hr. job available for someone else. Women get 3 months maternity leave with full pay and then 2 years leave with 1/3rd of their salary and then get their jobs back. (don't see why this last part couldn't be split between both parents, if they so choose, with the mother prob. taking the 1st year). Germany btw is the richest country in the Euro.

In France I know that they need real grounds for firing someone, and they can't just get rid of them when their retirement becomes vested or something.

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Back in the 50's and early 60's we really did have "the best country in the world". Yeah it was just for white people and men only breadwinners, but all the same it might have been the first time in the history of the world that so many had so much and so many actually had a decent living standard. I love the 'American Dream' in it's different shapes and forms. I wish we could return to the 40 or even 60 hr. family, with 2 parents splitting the work week and the house/home work, but the rich make more if they can exploit more people, so there it is. "It is what it is".

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A lot of people choose to change a country, the US, from within. Believe it or not they do have some real patriotism, part of which is to make things even better and better and better. After all, isn't that part of being an American?

Also it's not that easy to leave. Other countries have citizen requirements, just like we do. it also takes money and leaving friends and family.

I don't think it's very patriotic to tell people to just leave. Patriotism is making things as good as possible and not being stuck in the past, but keep rising to meet the dream.

[JosephM]

33 minutes ago, Elen1107 said:

By fine print I mean; make sure that your spouse and or family will really be taken care of if you pass on. Sometimes they make you think that everything will be fine and fall into place, when the truth is that it is not and does not.

I don't have insurance. I have been married 52 years. My home is paid for along with all other possesions. I have saved enough in federally insured cash to carry my wife for many years along with my investments.

 

36 minutes ago, Elen1107 said:

I've worked with people both from Canada and Germany. Both groups of people have told me that they think they have it better than we do. They work fewer hours, they have guaranteed healthcare, (this helps them not be so chained to 1 job and corporation), they have guaranteed  childcare, (don't need to worry if they will be able to take care of their children).

Me too and they are paying for it with a standard of living that has little incentive to get ahead because of taxes.

[Elen1107]

34 minutes ago, JosephM said:

I don't have insurance. I have been married 52 years. My home is paid for along with all other possesions. I have saved enough in federally insured cash to carry my wife for many years along with my investments.

 

My mother was married for over 50 years too. She is out living him by like twenty years or more. Their house was paid for and they thought she could live as long as she wanted after he passed. They needed to use a good amount of their savings to take care of my father in his last years. When he passed she lost part of his pension and part of his social security, and the taxes on the house kept going up and up and up.

My sister supported my brother in-law while he got his PHD and wrote his dissertation. Then she gave up her career and followed him around the country till he got tenure teaching in a collage. This took many years and several moves. Then he takes off with a younger woman, and a great career, and my sister got a minimum wage job with no insurance and no security.

Luckily my sister and mother were able to team up and between the two of them they were able to keep my sister's house while renting out the basement. They are both ok, but it was with no thanks to their husbands or the "society"  that pushed them and kept them in these situations.

I see so much of this. Women who are left with next to nothing while their husbands are off with 2 houses and 5 cars and who knows what else. It's wrong and it's not fair. Men are not supposed to make women's lives less safe and less secure. That's not being real men, and if they think it is their perceptions are upside down and the opposite of what is true and what is really real. 

34 minutes ago, JosephM said:

Me too and they are paying for it with a standard of living that has little incentive to get ahead because of taxes.

The people I've met say that their standard of living is better than ours and that they have more security and safety and that they wouldn't give it up for nothing.

People also need to learn to be incentivized by something besides just money. It counts up to a point, but a lot of people would be doing a lot what they do anyways. To them it's not just a job it's a vocation. In fact, if they had some real security, that they didn't need to worry about, they would be doing a lot more of it.

[JosephM]

2 hours ago, Elen1107 said:

My mother was married for over 50 years too. She is out living him by like twenty years or more. Their house was paid for and they thought she could live as long as she wanted after he passed. They needed to use a good amount of their savings to take care of my father in his last years. When he passed she lost part of his pension and part of his social security, and the taxes on the house kept going up and up and up.

One definitely needs to plan ahead. My wife has her own pension and Social security plus if I were to pass she would get more SS not less. One cannot be 100% certain of the future but we have done all we can to prepare and the rest is out of our hands. Sure if she lives long enough she may have to sell the house and get something  more within her means if taxes were to increase too much. . The state you live ion matters, thats why we moved to Florida (Increases in value are limited to 3% of the previous year's assessment or the Consumer Price Index (CPI) in Florida, whichever is less. This limitation is known as the "Save Our Homes" cap. )

 

2 hours ago, Elen1107 said:

I see so much of this. Women who are left with next to nothing while their husbands are off with 2 houses and 5 cars and who knows what else. It's wrong and it's not fair. Men are not supposed to make women's lives less safe and less secure. That's not being real men, and if they think it is their perceptions are upside down and the opposite of what is true and what is really real. 

Life isn't fair but that doesn't mean people should live everyday as their last. One must be wise so that scenarios like the one's you mention are exceptions rather than the rules. Marriage is a 50/50 interest and both parties need to have a hand in their interests lest things like you mention happen while one turns a blind eye.

[Elen1107]

2 hours ago, JosephM said:

One definitely needs to plan ahead. My wife has her own pension and Social security plus if I were to pass she would get more SS not less. One cannot be 100% certain of the future but we have done all we can to prepare and the rest is out of our hands. Sure if she lives long enough she may have to sell the house and get something  more within her means if taxes were to increase too much. . The state you live ion matters, thats why we moved to Florida (Increases in value are limited to 3% of the previous year's assessment or the Consumer Price Index (CPI) in Florida, whichever is less. This limitation is known as the "Save Our Homes" cap. )

 

Wow, I wish every state had those kinds of plans.

2 hours ago, JosephM said:

Life isn't fair but that doesn't mean people should live everyday as their last. One must be wise so that scenarios like the one's you mention are exceptions rather than the rules. Marriage is a 50/50 interest and both parties need to have a hand in their interests lest things like you mention happen while one turns a blind eye.

People should be aware that these things can and do happen, so people can do things differently and so they don't keep happening over and over again. So many people get hurt because they are told one thing, and then get another. 

[thormas]

And yet another black person is shot by police - how many cops, how many shots? And then there is the RNC - I wonder if any mention will be made. 

[thormas]

And let's not forget trumpster Jr's girlfriend - why was she yelling? 

[JosephM]

I think some may find this video from 1968 which to me applies to whats happening  today quite interesting really...

Sourced from government archive.

 

[JosephM]

British Wisdom on Cancel Culture and Racism.....

[thormas]

Good lord, this guy does go on and skews thing just so he can rant. 

To say black lives matter is not to say that all lives don't matter, it is simply to put a focus on black live that are endangered or ended too often and too easily.

And not all who go to (3 year is it?) public university are what this guy describes. Plus, didn't Churchil stand up against the foreign and existential threat of Nazism? This guy seems to suggest he stood up against some civil unrest or protests. 

And I haven't heard calls for toppling the Roman coliseum or the Egyptian pyramids - especially in the US as the concerns are a bit closer to home.

Finally, this guy seems to not understand the use of the word systematic in the phrase systematic racism - but that of course fits into his imagined bogey man that he can  then......rant against.

 

[thormas]

On 8/28/2020 at 3:53 PM, JosephM said:

I think some may find this video from 1968 which to me applies to whats happening  today quite interesting really...

Sourced from government archive.

It would be instructive if the trumpster listened not only about not blaming black people but how devious the Communists (Russia) is, especially his idol, Putin. Then again, the trumpeter depends on Russian interference.

Although the guy in the video is way off base about poverty, education, blaming the police, etc. Time for an update if still alive. 

[PaulS]

2 hours ago, thormas said:

Then again, the trumpeter depends on Russian interference.

I'm surprised that more US citizens don't want to know 'why' Russia is just so intent on having Trump re-elected.  For a country that seems particularly concerned about communism and socialism, voters seem pretty relaxed concerning Russian support for Trump being president.  So relaxed in fact that they don't mind Russians interfering in their elections.

[thormas]

13 hours ago, PaulS said:

I'm surprised that more US citizens don't want to know 'why' Russia is just so intent on having Trump re-elected.  For a country that seems particularly concerned about communism and socialism, voters seem pretty relaxed concerning Russian support for Trump being president.  So relaxed in fact that they don't mind Russians interfering in their elections.

Great point, why aren't his supporters more curious and skeptical about this issue. And look what this guy has done about intelligence briefing to Congress about this specific issue. Something to hide? 

One would think that 'Republicans' would be all over any Russian (or any) interference in the past, the present and in our upcoming election. But nothing from them. And they seeming also support his efforts to suppress the vote even though there is no evidence of any widespread or concerning voter fraud. Where are the Republicans?

 

[thormas]

Cancel culture? The trumpster tries (yet again) to cancel science in his absurd remarks in California as California burns (most of it federal land). 

And this is they guy who refers to himself as a (stable) genius. 

I wonder if he also hired people to pass his science classes after hiring one to get him into a top notch university in the first place????

[thormas]

Then we have cancel the country with this guy Caputo telling people to buy bullets now to be ready for the insurrection! 

And the trumpster clown says he wants to 'negotiate' a 3rd term.

 

[thormas]

OMG, Caputo said he is unhealthy, including mentally and started talking about shadows in his apartment. He then announced his leave of absence.

And this is a spokesman selected by the trumpster himself. The trumpster is really expanding and filling the swamp with some interesting individuals.

 

[thormas]

Now it's cancel the Republicans' word: "Oh no you can't consider anyone for the Court in an election year" and now, "Oh, we have to rush this, have to do this before Election Day."

[thormas]

And then we have cancel the right to vote with trumpster minions disrupting and intimating voters in Virginia. Love that respect for the Constitution.

Perhaps if they were more confident in the trumpster, they would stay home and let others live out their right to vote.