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  2. I just wanting to learn from others and share my observations . I happy people want to progress Christianity making it relevant to todays world .
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  4. Jesus Christ told us be ye wise as a serpent harmless as a dove .To be wise as a serpent you have to know there are serpents . What we call today narcissists , psychopath They are out there always seeking power and privileges for themselves .We see them in world entertainment , politics .What is the most power in the world ? Religions standing between people and their god. So after time most religions become corrupted with the wolves in sheep clothing .Those that appear like whited sepulchre , but are filled with dead men's bones . They take over a religion turning into a tool to control pe
  5. Well Jesus Christ 2000 years ago brought forth a new age that can't be denied .Look at the known history before Jesus and look at the world today how far mankind has come . Jesus questioned the established church its doctrines its priests who were keeping the people trapped that they alone where the mediators between God and man . Jesus brought forth new higher teachings about God , heaven that went against the established norms of the Jews then . Ironic people today aren't willing to accept any higher teachings on God thinking they only have to follow their church doctrines just as t
  6. The kingdom of God I internalize from Jesus teachings that it is a state of mind . That's why he said over and over the kingdom of God is at hand . Meaning right now this very second we can experience it by following the teachings Jesus gave us . Being as a child having a open mind to new things, teachings not trapped in a mental box we never question. Looking at the beam in our eye which means working on our psyche uncovering the ego and all its workings . Overcoming the mass consciousness the herd mentality that Jesus called the prince of this world . Putting on the wedding garment which
  7. Then why is mainstream science denying the importance of quantum physics ? That how a scientist thinks can change the course of a experiment which proves consciousness is everything . Consciousness is how things evolve through the energy of the mind not Darwin's out dated theory based on observations from his limited views 150 years ago still be taught ? Two random events dont create another random event that build on it until a new life form is created ? Even the fallacy of the big bang is still being taught ? When scientists have discovered the universe is expanding at a accelerat
  8. This is not at all my experience as a scientist nor a doctor.
  9. The problem is when modern people read the Bible they think with linear, rational mindset like lawyers .Woe unto ye lawyers as Jesus said ye have taken away the key of knowledge .In ancient times thought in a mythical way they saw the symbolism in stories .Just 2 people could never create all of humanity its biologically impossible . Just as Noah's Ark if there was only two animals of everything how did they feed the lions ? Its symbolism its wasn't the entire world was covered in water , but their world was which was as far as they could see . Why would God put a snake in the garden
  10. Well the Creator didn't create hell , but such a place exists . It was created by life streams those who rebelled against God and his law of freewill . In their intense anger at God they are burning up inside that's why its perceived as a place of fire .Its also been called the astral plane or emotional realm which is the lowest level that is right over us .That's why people who taken drugs , suicide have all described a similar place .
  11. Most science today has become a religion where we now have a priesthood of scientists , educators , who reside in there ivory towers of higher education. Never questioning their beliefs on materialism and putting down others who do . There just as the clergy was in the middle ages when scientists came out with discoveries that questioned church doctrine . Its ironic that when scientists proved the earth wasn't the center of the universe and that the sun didn't revolve around the earth that those beliefs were wrong it started Christian fundamentalism . Where the followers believed in th
  12. Wouldn't disagree with any of that. And by "paganism" I meant broadly pretty much all belief before it getting started getting formalized into "religions." Out of interest, which country/area do you live in? (Apologies of course if that's an an inappropriate question).
  13. See, in my social environment, Christianity is nothing like that at all. It's just not part of our social structure here, so I have no sense of that being fundamentally a "Christian" thing. I conceptualize it as social political thing common to certain areas. It's the same way I spiritually identify with certain Muslims, but I don't at all relate to the particular Muslim community in my neighbourhood where the local Muslim community center just lost it's non profit status for promoting hate speech. As for paganism, well, some of it was quite open, while others were quite prescripti
  14. Good question. I grew up in a very evangelical household, and spent a couple of years involved with an organization called Navigators, which was basically about going around converting people. I still think of myself as Christian, though most Christians would probably call me a panentheist. I feel more communality with some Sufis, Buddhists etc. Even paganism - after all, it’s by far the oldest religious tradition, alongside which Christianity is scarcely a blip; it’s based on a respect for Nature, which we’re all going to have to adopt if civilization is going to survive; it’s decentralized t
  15. For sure. For many people, their version of religion or spirituality means being part of and sharing beliefs and values with their family and friends. Religion is both a spiritual and social construct. It's the social construct side where certain groups clash with other social groups, because all social groups are prone to clashing.
  16. And I'm not trying to shut down that conversation. I'm contributing to it from my perspective as someone who has studied and participated in various religions for most of my life. It's worth comparing religions. It's also worth comparing within religions. Are a Christian and a Muslim who are the same ethnicity, from the same socioeconomic background, with the same upbringing, living in the same community, doing similar jobs, with kids who go to the same school more culturally and spiritually similar to each other or more similar to a Christian in rural China and a Muslim in Brunei
  17. In very simple terms, progressive generally means seeking change and conservative means maintaining things as they are. Change is difficult for many, and holding back change is difficult for many. It's always hard, and it's always a conflict. I personally look forward to the day that society finally progresses past my personal values and I can maybe join the conservative side of the spectrum. What it all means in terms of Christianity is socio-historic-context specific. Today's conservatives may have been yesteryear's progressives. Today's progressives could become tomorrow's
  18. When I think about how big the universe is with billions and billions of galaxies . How light hasn't even reached us from the farthest distance of the universe . I think the Creator would have created a way for its creation no matter how far it got lost from God to reconnect . And when Jesus says no one comes back to the father , but through the son he was talking about the mind of Christ .Where in a instant by tuning into Jesus through him or his words we can reconnect back to the formless God . Where we get that feeling that can't be explained with words just experienced .
  19. I try to follow the path that Jesus taught the kingdom of God is within you .So I work on my psychology trying to overcome the beam in my eye which is our ego. Letting my eye be single Seeing that black and white thinking ,is the cause of most of the problems in the world the knowledge of good and evil . I understand what Paul meant when he said, " I die daily " and work on that .. Seeing my limiting beliefs that hold me back and attempting to let them go .
  20. I Am A Thinking Christian , Psychology of Evil , by Kim Michaels
  21. Personally, I think the term 'progressive' unfortunately does create judgement and may even be a little condescending to those who aren't considered 'progressive', but we humans do like labels and it is hard to characterize similar ways of thinking without identifying a label per se. I think the term has probably come about because there are people who do want to identify with Christianity but whom do not want to be lumped in with a traditional Christian point of view. Sometimes I think it might just be easier to say what one 'is not', rather than what one 'is'. In comparison to traditi
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  23. Similarly, I've checked Christian forums over the last month or two, and gone thrown off a couple of them because I don't believe in the Trinity. The abiding image in my mind from the last month is protestors/insurrectionists waving banners/confederate flags as they stormed the Capitol that said "Jesus is my lord, Trump is my president".
  24. Can't argue with that. was just trying to get a conversation started.
  25. Seems to me that Jesus gave two "great commandments", (Matthew 22:35-40, Mark 12:28-312, Luke 10:25-28, etc), which were to love God, and love your neighbor as yourself. The rest, basically, is waffle. For me, the idea of God is pretty elastic. As it is for the Church, from fundamentalists on the one hand to Quakers and Unitarians on the other (where you don't really need to believe in any kind of God at all).
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