October's Autumn

Jesus has a different view on this. He seemed to think there was everything wrong with being/getting wealthy!

Yeah, and its a problem. ditto on the *sigh*

I think the government's job (besides keeping roads, etc.) is to protect those who are powerless from those who are powerful.

I"m wholly impressed by meditation. I can't sit still for more than about 30 seconds

thanks for that DavidD!

I guess when I have some time I can go through them and see if any organize them in a meaningful way!

A friend of mine had a paper about reading the bible in the year. I've never done that and thought it might be an interesting pursuit. I looked up the schedule online and was pretty disappointed. It basically takes the Bible from Genesis to Revelations and divides it into 365 days! That is no way to read the bible! I would think it would make more sense to read it in sections so you can compare parts of it. Like reading the sections of the synoptic gospels that match and kind of match and then don't match. That would certainly be more interesting. So, I wonder if I can find someone who has done that or if I'm going to have to do it myself -- divise a method of reading the bible "properly." Not that there is "only" one proper way, but cover to cover doesn't seem to make much sense from a literary, historical point of view, anyhow.

I understand, now. I agree, I get what you are saying. That is more or less what I did but everything I found seemed more like they fit in the category of psychological needs rather than spiritual needs. I was hoping you had something I hadn't been able to find So, so far I understand spiritual to be an essentially religious term for psychological...

My point is that threads on good works soon get offtopic with Biblical references. I think we all have a sense of what doing the right thing is without needing to turn to scriptures, and that focusing on the works in the thread will help us to brainstorm on how to do them better. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I was posting to Altheia's post, although she said "Ethics" not "good works." I was really just curious. Like I siad, it is a question I've been asking for about a year and haven't been able to find an answer to. Her post brought it up again and since I don't really understand what it means I was hoping to get some feedback. I'm pretty sure spirituality doesn't have anything to do with the bible -- or at least isn't exclusive. I know people who've talked about being spiritual but not being religious and other similar comments that put it outside the realm of Christianity or even Judaism or any organized religion.

My personal view is that minoirities, rather it be racial, gender, ethnic, or sexual orientation, are rather naive when they support Right wing politicians -- they are being used as a means to an end. That is one thing I don't get about people like Ann Coulter and Laura Schlessenger, by their own standards neither should be speaking, they are after all women and the right doesn't have much use for women except to appeal to their emotional side in order to get their votes and then turn around and demean them. Reminds me of the irony of Newt talking about family values.

Not yet. I do not generally see movies in theaters, maybe 2x a year. Will I enjoy the movie as much if I read the book first? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> see the movie. read the story. they both are brilliant and don't worry about anything but missing the movie on the large screen in a threatre with other people and reading the story by yourself - in any order, but do it soon. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> okay, I'll finish Dragonwings and then find Brokeback. Thanks!

I have no understanding of what "spirituality" or "spiritual things" means so I'm not clear why it matters if good works are separated from "spiritual things." If any one would care to try to explain to me what "spirituality" and "spiritual things" are I'd greatly appreciate it. This is a question that came up about a year ago and I still have no idea and haven't been able to find any explanations.

Since my brain is in a bit of a Zen way at the moment, it makes me say, hmm... Maybe the earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD because the earth IS the knowledge of the LORD. But that would be reading too much into it. Or would it? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think there is a certain truth to what you are saying.

I agree with you. Especially the gobedygoop part!

worked this time. I took issue with the way questions were worded as they presupposed certain beliefs. ie they were two parts. I may have disagreed with one part but not the other so I had to disagree with the whole thing! You scored as Monarchianism. You are a Monarchian. You seek to retain monotheistic belief but in doing so abandon the idea of a triune God. God exists as the Father only, though he can reveal himself in other ways in a manner similar to modalism. Jesus is a man who is adopted into the Godhead and given divine status. Jehovah's Witnesses still hold to this belief. Monarchianism 67% Pelagianism 58% Socinianism 33% Docetism 0% Arianism 0% Apollanarian 0% Adoptionist 0% Donatism 0% Monophysitism 0% Chalcedon compliant 0% Nestorianism 0% Albigensianism 0% Modalism 0% Gnosticism 0%

I scored: this page cannot be displayed. We are getting a lot of wind here and having internet issues. Not sure if it is related or not!

I"m impressed you can remember episode titles! As far as TBOD it has been "removed from NBC's schedule."

Thanks, Beach. I at least *think* you were talking to me I'm ever waiting for a response. This is the one thing I hate about posting a board, waiting for responses. *sigh*

Not yet. I do not generally see movies in theaters, maybe 2x a year. Will I enjoy the movie as much if I read the book first?

I wouldn't call it "extreme far left." Progressives are the extreme far left as far Chrisitianity goes. As far as having the "spark of God" in us, Tony Campolo holds that view, and I think "we" determined earlier that he is more of a moderate.

That is a different kind of wrong. OYE!

I have to say thought, at least they will admit to being wrong. I haven't seen that in the fundamentalist/conservative circles I've been in!

Ultimately, when it comes to religion there is no way of knowing. Not in the sense that I know that 2 + 2 = 4 or that a noun is a person, place, thing, or idea. Belief is an opinion (something which can not be proven or disproven). I obviously (and you obviously) believe that our progressive stances are right or at least headed in the right direction versus going in the wrong direction. Just as Jim Jones and Pat Robertson believe that their stances are right and we are wrong. While I can disprove some of the "facts" they use to support their beliefs (ie inerrancy) there is know way of knowing in the factual sense that I am right and they are wrong. Not following your logic. The logic is, if all religious statements are partially false, then your statement that "No single one corners the market on who God is or isn't" is, by definition, partially false too. Indeed, "all religious statements are partially false" is also, by definition, partially false. This is the self-defeat of strong post-modernism in a nutshell -- as soon as you say, "We can't know the truth," you've shot yourself in the foot, because then we have no way of knowing that "We can't know the truth" is true. If it's true, then it isn't. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> The logic doesn't fit. I said that all religions, not religious statements, contain truth (and also untruth, if that is a word). I didn't say we can't know truth. I said (or at least was trying to say, maybe not too clearly) that we can't know that what we think is truth. We can only believe it to be true. BTW I got tired of waiting for the original poster to respond to my statements so I decided to go ahead and respond to your interpretation of what s/he said.

She is so cute! And she *grows* right before your eyes!