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  1. I am a Christian and take total identification with that. The term Christianity is fine by me. I am also a citizen of the US and thus an American by common usage. I certainly do not embrace everything that the US has done or is doing or everything that is connected to being an American but I am what I am. That goes with any identification I have. I am a father, a grandfather, a pastor, a male, a Chicago White Sox fan. Doesn't mean I approve of everything anyone who wears those names has done, or that I approved of throwing the 1919 World Series. I see myself as part of
  2. Too bad I cannot tell that to my deceased mother who raised me in a fundamentalist church. But I can tell all my fundamentalist relatives! Howver, this is bs. It is just finding a moral high ground way to turn someone, in this case, fundamentalists, into the "other." And that is the source of violence and war. Were you able to view the ones who want to call to call "other" (and unhealthy, devastatng, perverted, bold for words used above) as "one with me" rather than "other" we would be in a far better place. As it stands, this is the place of the "hea;thy" progressives who
  3. the question is not wherther Jeus was a reformer - akthough appeals to dictionaries seldom move me, and this one doesn't either - I think that was covered in my posts alreay so that is not the issue My point is the utter danger in setting Jesus apart from, as some antthesis to, the Common Covenant. Under Chrst Paul taught we are freed from keeping the laws, but we live as yet within the same faith, as Paul also said, branch grafted onto the tree, as did Jesus. One God. One Faith. Just that we know God through Christ, rather than through the Common Covenant. Jesus combatted leg
  4. How does that make Jeus different (other than that he is the Annointed One) from the prophets, from the whole of the Common Covenant (Old Testament)? I don't se that that does. Jesus came not to be contra the Common Covenant but to fulfill it. That he called for a return to roots is part of the work of all reformers, nothing special or unique about that.
  5. gracious thanks to flow, rivanna, and Cynthia for their comments and thoughts wonder why a thread on the unimportance of Survivor gets a lot more posts than one about a young person stationed in Iraq priorities?
  6. I think Jesus was the most traditional of Jews, who totally incarnated all of the law and the prophets, who was a reformer in the sense that he called the people of his day back to the Common Covenant in its essence Jesus did not break new ground as much as say, look to what is already here - we should not separate ourselves from the Common Covenant - while we live in Paul's freedom from the law, we should also live live as people grounded in the common covenant
  7. I am as everyone surely noticed the quibbling sort - and I must demur from the concept that religion was "invented." That makes it sound as if it came from "them" and was imposed or superposed on "us" Religion arose from us, from us all, collectively and eventually codified by those who arose from the community with a special feel or calling to such, but religion is organic, not invented, in human community and personal life
  8. Set the Amish for a moment since they are what I consider a special case. The Hindus and Moslems have committed and continue to commit atrocites against each other in India/Pakistan and lest we not forget the Gandhi was killed by a Hindu who was angered at Gandhi's loving attitude towards Moslems. I am sure that may good Shintos were responsible for the barbarism against the Buddhists in China in the 30s. When we are involved, we call it Nazis killing Jews. If we were some other faith, we might call it Christians killing Jews. Or Germans killing Jews. And was it Jews or Is
  9. why s the assumption made that this is about religion? Religion is often used as a cloaking device for the real issues. I think it is way too simplistic to say this is about religion the question is much more basic - the rights of human beings to live in a situation where external forces have intruded - for right or wrong - without a resort to justice for anyone involved
  10. I do not see how those two connect. The latter part is certainly true to my experience but that has nothing to do with the richness of the treasures of the Church.
  11. I must respecfully disagree with the idea that opposition to gay marriage is based on fear rather than hate. It is hate. The talk of paradigm shifts sounds good to the rational mind so we can then dismiss the issue, but it fails. If the changing of the institution is said to evoke fear then why have we not seen this in regards to the huge change in society in the last 35-40 years regarding straight people not "living in sin" to (almost) every couple having sexual relations and living together prior to mariage? It has been many decades since I have believed any prospective bride and groo
  12. My son the Marine is now in Iraq. I don''t expect anyone to care much in that I know no one here and have not made any friends or contacts here, my own fault in that I am not here much, but the point is, a reminder that a lot of people have children in Iraq - including a lot of Iraqi parents... it was a real odd thing to spend New Years Eve discussing with my grandson the possibilities of his father being killed or maimed or coming back physically intact - who knows about the emotional - and we have what, 140,000 troops there - and all the people of Iraq who cannot escape the terror an
  13. Just a few comments. The UCC having over 2,000,000 members is hardly small. And far more importantly: as for the following: And when did God ever say that? It is difficult to accept that anyone claiming the name of progressive would make that claim. And we have already been set up for the "oh I will be attacked" thing so it becomes a self-validating comment. No, you are not being attacked, it is in fact very human to take one's biases and attribute them to God. I am reminded of the clergy to whom MLK addressed the Letter from a Birmingham jail. I get very f
  14. I have been having a great time this week with the last week of Advent parishoner calls, delivering flowers, etc., a very rewarding experience. And I have come and checked on my usual internet communities, and the gay community to which I usually post has been trashing on Christians all week. I am worn out by the back and forth and the witnessing to the justice actions of the churches for the g/l/b/t community. They make some good points along with some sweeping generalizations. The churches have a horrible track record vis a vis gays and lesbians. Some - many - churches hav
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