JosephM

I read it. They don't as yet really understand the virus. There is a whole lot more to understand about such things as T cells that aid in immunity. There report uses the words Suggests.

If it continued as many Democrats have insisted with the 2nd 3 trillion budget that they passed in Congress it would likely be devastating to the economy and cause more harm than the virus. Americans need to get back to work.There are too many livelihoods at stake Every day we stay shut down has a cost for the working class from which a return to prosperity will be prolonged with its congoing consequences

Likewise there is no scientific evidence to say it doesn't on this virus. It has worked in the past but i never said we should wait for it. I think this thing will end with a Vaccine with smarter people than you and i working on it around the clock. Have faith grasshopper! 🙂🙂🙂

You don't know what is going on here Paul. You live in Australia. Small business has been sucking it up for many months now and perhaps 1/3 to half of them have been destroyed already. So tell your own countrymen to suck it up and stay out of our business..🙂😛

Asking is one thing. Requiring is another. One can protect oneself from one who refuses to comply. A restaurant can refuse to comply but if i disagree i will not go there. Driving is a privilege here in the US, not a right. Certain rules are necessary for the safety of others. Because it is a human rights issue and it need not be mandatory for the safety of all. If people want to take the risk be in their presence that is fine with me. Survival will rid itself of the foolish if that is what they are. so long as i am not forced into personal harm.

Herd immunity occurs when enough people become immune to a disease to make its spread unlikely. As a result, the entire community is protected, even those who are not themselves immune. Herd immunity is usually achieved through vaccination, but it can also occur through natural infection. (now that is science) Your point and science concerning covid-19 is flawed at this time.since it is not yet proven and only assumed or suggested by some studies..

It seems amazing to me that you are able to get in the presidents mind and shoes and make such statements. You must read a lot of mainstream news which in my view is no longer reporting news on the president but rather interpreting and slanting what he says to give it anti Trump spin for possible political reasons.

Thomas, It seems to me you may be living in a hypothetical 'should be ' world with no basis in reality. What is absurd to me is for you to tell people what they should or shouldn't do.

Not to argue the point but my experience would also without a doubt disagree with your statement here and be more in line with what elen said.

I would not be so sure of what Jesus intended from the writings and teachings. https://www.cru.org/us/en/train-and-grow/share-the-gospel/evangelism-principles/jesus-and-the-gentiles.html and this NT parable from Jesus may also differ from your assessment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Great_Banquet

I guess i don't understand your point in this statement. We are doing everything we can to get a vaccine as soon as possible. We are not waiting on herd immunity. As far as herd immunity goes, i implied that NY had a degree of herd immunity with their high extrapolated infection record considering their extremely high death rate per population and that would be a possibility for their decreased numbers compared to other states. The US values their freedoms and while i personally social distance , wear a mask and only frequent places with service that does likewise, i do not put my personal values on the shoulders of those who refuse such things.

Please do not quote other posters in your post unless you just want to agree or say something positive about another's post.. This thread is not to debate or question other people's post. In post #1 it specifies to post your perception of what God is to you. No wrong answers, just views. Thanks, JosephM (as Moderator)

No i was not referring to the King's study. but The King study only suggests Covid-19 antibodies can decline over time enough to be ineffective. The studies i have read see the decay only in those who have recovered from mild illness and they can't say for sure if it doesn't slow or stop at some point still in the effective range. Yes, . Three recent studies – from China, Britain and now the United States – have called into question how long people carry antibodies after infection. But the reality may be less dire than recent headlines suggest. The latest of these papers is from a research group at UCLA. It tracked antibodies in 34 people with the coronavirus and found that the average antibody levels dropped to half of where they started over a period of about 2 1/2 months. "The big caveat is of course that this is just one snapshot for a relatively short period of time," says Dr. Otto Yang at UCLA, "so we don't know that it will continue that same rate of drop over time." I guess we will have to put the sensationalism and repeating headlines aside and wait for more scientific evidence to answer the real question of how long antibodies remain effective in keeping one immune to a repeat of the virus.

We do agree and personally i don't require the Bible to confirm such but if that is what some want then they can read my post from 2007 here on the true Gospel message as relates to the Kingdom of God.... I think you might find it interesting and perhaps much in line with your words.

In my view, there is much truth in this statement above. It seems to me some confuse it as being the same time for everyone which is to me, far from what has been revealed to me. The coming of Christ is present tense and in time different for each of us. A past post of mine ......

The numbers I am talking about were the number of deaths extrapolated by the cdc formula to get a more realistic number of the people actually infected. Also the 3 months haven't really expired now except to only to a minority of those infected who had a weak antibody response. (about 17% of the people.

Absolutely without a doubt. I also think that as you indicated , one needs to be open to it and consciously very present.

Well it seems logical to me that the more people that have recovered regardless of reaching true herd immunity the less the 2nd spike will be on start-up. The data from those 4 states is no coincidence and the 5 million people in NY that have recovered will definitely have an effect on a 2nd spike. The numbers don't lie and the graphs on the 2nd spikes are calibrated by the first spike which was greatest in those cities.

If one takes a look at the deaths per million for NY, NJ, MA, and CT you will see the death rates per million is over 1000 for each of these states and far higher than those states currently experiencing pronounced spikes.. If you extrapolate the number of deaths by the fatality rate for covid-19 by "The CDC’s current best estimate of the COVID-19 infection fatality rate of 0.65%" you will find all of these 5 states are closer to approaching a degree of herd immunity than others . That's why their 2nd spike is so much smaller than the first one. For example NY state has 32,817 deaths attributed to covid-19 . The real number of cases is not the number reported and has been verified by cuomo himself in sample testing of the public that were never reported as cases both symptomatic and asymptomatic. For example. 32,817 deaths attributed in NY state divided by .0065 = 5, 048,769 people have been infected to equal the current death rate. This agrees with news reports by all major newspapers that says the reral infected rate is 10 or more time what is reported. . https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-cases/coronavirus-may-have-infected-10-times-more-americans-than-reported-cdc-says-idUSKBN23W2PU NY State has approximately 19 million population. NYC has approximately 8.5 million. While herd immunity requires 60% or more of the population to have had the virus one can see that these 4 states are well on their way toward it and would obviously be showing less cases at this time than other states since they had such a high exposure during their initial peak. In conclusion, because these states seem to be under better control of covid-19 at this time that is no proof that the governors have handled it better than other states when you review all the data. I would add because of their population density it is also no proof that they have handled it any worse than other governors. The data only explains one of the many reasons why those states are seemingly having covid-19 under better control. Joseph

Welcome Jerry, Feel free to enter any discussions that interest you. Joseph (open to living life rather than living the questions or holding all the answers)

Where is your proof that God wrote Genesis 1? What even makes you think it is literal? Show me the talking snake and tell me what kind of fruit grows on the tree of knowledge of good and evil so i might believe !

Cancel culture — the phenomenon of promoting the “canceling” of people, brands and even shows and movies due to what some consider to be offensive or problematic remarks or ideologies. Cancel Culture to me is an attempt to stifle and cancel free expression by the claim of harm because of what someone or some symbol says to a person that they find offensive. As Obama says its not activism ... its being judgmental so you can feel better about yourself. It's in my opinion toxic because it is so subjective it is often taken too far .

When some protesters get violent, if you are a peaceful protester and have any common sense, you leave that area or else you become part of the problem and make it difficult for the police to protect the innocent from getting caught up in a dangerous situation.. At that point technically there are no more peaceful protesters because they have made themselves complicit by remaining with the troublemakers.

That is the definition of forgive. for·give /fərˈɡiv/ verb stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake.

Elen, We can only change ourselves. Yes, we can influence others but requiring others to apologize or repent before we forgive them is to miss the point. The other has to deal with his/her own issues which is mostly not in our power to change. Our issue is to forgive. When one truly sees that to not forgive will harbor anger and resentment unconsciously and make it difficult for us to sense our connection with God and the Oneness of being and joy and peace in our life the choice for forgiveness will come. These are some of the strongest writings to confirm it if you need biblical quotes all from the NT. “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another as God in Christ forgave you. And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.” “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.” Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. As you measure others it will be measured unto you ----------------------------------- And from a non-biblical perspective of psychology Taken from berkley.edu : Psychologists generally define forgiveness as a conscious, deliberate decision to release feelings of resentment or vengeance toward a person or group who has harmed you, regardless of whether they actually deserve your forgiveness. Just as important as defining what forgiveness is, though, is understanding what forgiveness is not. Experts who study or teach forgiveness make clear that when you forgive, you do not gloss over or deny the seriousness of an offense against you. Forgiveness does not mean forgetting, nor does it mean condoning or excusing offenses. Though forgiveness can help repair a damaged relationship, it doesn’t obligate you to reconcile with the person who harmed you, or release them from legal accountability. Instead, forgiveness brings the forgiver peace of mind and frees him or her from corrosive anger.