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This is one guy with his perspective...............I respect it but he is one guy.

I agree it looks like a uniform but it is dramatic.

I don't like chocolate 😦 Burl, you're barking up the wrong tree. No one here and the majority of the protestors are not violent - just like all police are not racist thugs or don't care about all the people in their community. So too on the other side. To say otherwise, to generalize is to pre-judge, i.e. is to be prejudice. The peaceful people have not all left, where are you getting that and who can possible track all the peaceful people in all the demonstrations?

Please my friend, there are also those on the other side who knelt, hugged and prayed with the protestors. Again, no one here is for violence, the discussion is the peaceful people. And you must know that there have been white nationalist types destroying property - I actually watched a video of one breaking glass in a storefront .......and then they showed who he was. OOPS and he's not on the protestors side.

OR.............the protest against the targeting of especially black men, police brutality, some possible refunding and the freedom to demonstrate continue. The majority are peaceful and many believe the violence is wrong and counter productive. PLUS...........the point remains that the monuments are symbols and cause harm to particular communities.

I agree.

I have never seen anything close to this among the biblical or early Christian scholars I have read. It seemed that Saul needed no greater motivation than what he perceived as an insult on his faith.

Tuning to oneself has not, seemingly, always worked out too well. It would seem that one had to 'check' or measure their discernment against their community or some others of 'like mind.'.

Good lord, the statues and monuments are not merely 'inanimate objects' - they signify and symbolized something beyond themselves. It is what they symbolize (and the people who perpetuate that symbolism) that cause actual harm. Such real human suffering/harm on the part of black men and women should not be dismissed by "each to his/her own."

Interesting NYT article - not the part about the trumpster but the focus on the 'Lost Cause' spin. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/07/31/lost-cause-donald-trump/?arc404=true

You are saying that un-forgiveness is the burden and I am saying that forgiveness of another can remove that burden and give him/her a new beginning.

That's what I said. BTW if you have a problem with Elen's characterization, bring it up with Elen. Seems like I read posts better than you understand the word 'however.' 😁 It should also be noted that there is a difference between, for example, NYC and NYC 'urban area.' Regardless I was focused on NYC itself, its population and the number of deaths. Who is ellen? Don't you read posts, don't you know whom you're responding to? As you said, "get your facts straight." 🙃 See...........anyone can play that game. I suggest that if you have a problem or a difference with someone rather than slamming them, you state the issue clearly, for example the difference between density and largest population. Elon mentioned the former while I the latter (and I took it that she meant the City itself).

Bingo!

Yet you didn't state that when you made your false claim that "...Americans and a majority i might add want to retain these things." Not! Are you sharing the trumpeter's private polls which shown him winning everywhere? As previously mentioned this is not simply an individual community vote but a vote that impacts the nation. Let's put it on the November ballot and see what happens - unless of course the trumpster delays the election 😷 and/or stops the mail in vote even though he and his family will vote absentee and mail their ballots. Such hypocrisy, such fear, such an unAmerican thing to do........................and this from the president.

Obviously you don't appreciate the full use of the word however. I agree with Burl on the forgiveness for oneself but I disagree in that it also does do something (perhaps even everything) for the other. I used however in its similarity to nevertheless or nonetheless which is completely valid............thus my statement is sound. 😇 You're welcome! A buden is lifted from the other in the act of forgiveness. In Christianity, the idea is metanoia and with forgiveness/repentance there is a new beginning (and that, as I said, can be everything for the one who is forgiven). 😷

I was quoting Elen..............and she was right. NYC is the city with the largest population in the USA. 😀😃

I agree however forgiveness can do everything for the other - it lifts a burden, it (can) gives new life, it allows for a new beginning.

Statistics are an interesting thing as one can play them in different ways. Elen mentioned NY but then focused on NYC. Do I remember correctly that the vast majority of deaths were in NYC as compared to the rest of NY? And as Elen stated, NYC is uniquely different in that is is "the most densely populated city in the US." Most people give incredibly high praise to Cuomo - and the Mayor(?) of Savannah has actually reached out to him for guidance in his own city. The Governor of Florida not so much. p.s. if only the trumpster had not been so obsessed with Wuhan (and he still goes out of his way to call it the Wuhan virus as do his toadies) he might have done the ban on Europe before so many deplaned in NYC.

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Please! What behind the scenes, is there a conspiracy going on, for example with the black female student at UNC who expressed her 'hurt' and her efforts (along with many others) to have the names of certain buildings on campus changed? What is 'going on behind the scenes' that Paul or supposedly many USA citizens are missing? If you want to talk about 'behind the scenes' focus on the trumpeter's ploy to play this card in his bid to be re-elected. One doesn't really have to wonder about his motivation. This is amazing: in a few short sentences you describe the idea of seeing things from the side of those who clearly state they are 'hurt' as caving in and in the next breath you declare that the removal of the statues will not result in healing - when it already has in numerous cases - from the removal of the flag in SC, to the same decision at Nascar, to the students at UNC with the renaming of buildings and the removal of the 'Silent Sam' confederate monument and on and on. For people, institutions, state governments, etc. to not only LISTEN to black men and women but to RESPOND.................has already brought moments of real healing. p.s. it's actually surprising that the trumpster supports the statues of confederates (until one thinks about it for a silly millisecond) because they lost and he hates, he really hates, losers 😟

Actually this is not the case given a poll last month (June): "Fifty-two percent of voters said they support removing such statutes, while just 44 percent oppose removing them, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll survey..............." 😀

Doesn't even make sense..........................but neither does the choice of statues over people. Thus, we can say "wisdom grasshopper., wisdom.............and perhaps a little compassion." :+}

Fabulous..........thanks.

That is spot on and it is simply baffling why they dig their heels in especially knowing that eventually these statues will be removed since they do and will forever 'cause harm' to a significant (and growing with ever expanding influence) percentage of Americans. This is not a question of assimilation, it is a matter of consideration, respect, justice...........and equality.

The funny thing is that it is inevitable with the 'browning of America.'