patrolwagon Posted May 27, 2021 Share Posted May 27, 2021 John 3:16 wasn't always the most popular Bible passage. But from 1800's revival sermons to the famous "Rainbow Man" in the 70's - this is the story of why John 3:16 is the most popular Bible verse.Let me know what you think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 hours ago, patrolwagon said: Let me know what you think. I thought it was really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrolwagon Posted May 29, 2021 Author Share Posted May 29, 2021 On 5/28/2021 at 3:53 PM, PaulS said: I thought it was really interesting. Thanks for sharing. Glad you liked it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romansh Posted May 31, 2021 Share Posted May 31, 2021 Not being a Christian J3:16 leaves me cold. What a horrible concept, and based on a faulty premise too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 11 hours ago, romansh said: Not being a Christian J3:16 leaves me cold. What a horrible concept, and based on a faulty premise too. It is a gruesome verse when a non-Christian thinks about it. To think that a Father would require his own son to suffer and die a cruel death, just so that the Father himself is appeased by the act, is ludicrous! Yet, when you're on the inside, it seems as normal and acceptable as the air we breathe. That is for most - a few of us get away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyB Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) I don't see anything gruesome about John 3:16. It says that He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. There is nothing gruesome about having eternal life and not perishing. It is glorious! God wants the entire world to be saved by Jesus' sacrifice for their sins. Edited June 9, 2021 by JimmyB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romansh Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, JimmyB said: I don't see anything gruesome about John 3:16. You are right Jimmy ... the story is all rainbows, fluffy unicorns and teddy bears. What the world needs is more: Edited June 9, 2021 by romansh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 11 hours ago, JimmyB said: I don't see anything gruesome about John 3:16. It says that He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. There is nothing gruesome about having eternal life and not perishing. It is glorious! God wants the entire world to be saved by Jesus' sacrifice for their sins. To me its just gruesome thinking that the only way such a God can be satisfied is firstly, to have humans murder his son, and then secondly, that humans thousands of years later have to believe the stories or else they will suffer eternal punishment. An all-powerful God who's only way to prevent people suffering an eternal torture is to ensure his son is killed and then stories about him are believed, seems terribly gruesome to me and if any human alive today tried that on with their own child, we'd all call that person a lunatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hunt Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 4:25 AM, PaulS said: God wants the entire world to be saved by Jesus' sacrifice for their sins i guess we've been sacrificing to placate fearsome gods since we came down from the trees - this just happens to be the biggest sacrifice we've been able to think of. Unless we committed mass suicide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Hunt Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 4:25 AM, PaulS said: I don't see anything gruesome about John 3:16. It says that He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. Ps: I understand that the scholarly consensus is that John's gospel is the least likely to contain words that Jesus actually spoke. And the bulk of Christian scholarship, in trying to work out the exact meaning of the Greek text in the Gospels (both Paul and the gospel writers, generations later, wrote in Greek), is chasing the wrong camel, as he spoke in Aramaic. It’s a language that depends on inflection rather than a root grammatical system like Greek. “Body” and “spirit” can be the same thing, depending on emphasis. “Father” is not about gender, need not even be parenthood, but could imply universal creation. Even the Greek is often uncertain – “eternal” for instance doesn’t necessarily refer to time, it could just indicate a supreme quality. “Eternal Life” could mean “Abundant Life.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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