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Brent last won the day on February 21 2012

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  1. Derek, It's gratifying to hear you consider that the UPapers may confirm your bless`ed assurance. On another note, recently I've had occasion to focus a bit on the UP teachings on evolution. The doings of Michael Dowd et al on Evolutionary Christianity have been worth noting, as some here are aware. A few months ago I got into Carter Phipp's Evolutionaries: Unlocking the Spiritual and Cultural Potential of Science's Greatest Idea, which some here may also have enjoyed reading. This led to Steve McIntosh's (a long-time UPapers reader, by the way) Integral Consciousness & the Fu
  2. Derek, Your point that a human weakness for word/book fetishes eventually seeks to establish “authority” with adverse consequences appears quite accurate. Not surprisingly, this same preference for the consolations of authority can be found among less spiritually mature members of the worldwide community of Urantia Book readers. I’m optimistic though, with the lessons of history and the superb teachings found within the text, that notions of “mandatory” authority will never take root among students of the UPapers. Our discussion has led me to reread a powerful denouncement of the r
  3. Hi Derek, Taking liberties to re-order your emphases by transposing two sentences, I find much, if not complete, agreement with the way “(you) see it”. You wrote: “Possibly it can be claimed that this particular book is different and provides relevant answers, answers at this time necessary to the correct progress of humanity. So be it.” You preceded with: “As I see it, the last thing humankind - or indeed, any "kind" - need is another book, sacred, holy, authoritative, or whatever.” Thanks, and all the best back to you , Brent
  4. Hi Joseph, Thanks for the consistently kind way you've expressed your "direct" approach. This is a path which I've also trodden. To which I'll add this quote: In good spirit, Brent
  5. Greetings PC friends, I know it's been a while since I've posted, tho I do stop in occasionally to check the pulse here. Looks to me like the beat is overall positive, progressively consistent and still searching. Just to add to the mix, thought I'd pass on a recent Urantia Papers utube intro for consideration. All the best blessings to All of you who love, Brent
  6. George, I know the subject of ‘free will’ has been approached and debated repeatedly, and I wouldn’t want to waylay a discussion of ‘natural evil before the fall’. But in short, my understanding of “truly free” is that it refers to spiritual-choice realities (within which, after all is said and done on this planet, we progress eternally) rather than physical, cultural, or particular environmental happenstance. Best regards, Brent
  7. PC friends, I beg your pardons, if off the subject for a moment - We’re all aware of how easily intentions can be misconstrued when participating in online forums. Many folks have long mused that e-dialogue suffers from the loss of clarifying overtones and nuances available with face-to-face communications. The link I posted did provide, imo, a valuable ( if admittedly broad) perspective on the subject of ‘evil’. I’ve no doubt that forum participants here are imminently capable of researching any reference links I might offer in ‘debate and dialogue’ or elsewhere, if they so c
  8. Dutch, Although I differ with any negative implication, your comment that you find the UP authors’ wording sometimes oddly obfuscating is certainly understandable, if unfortunately common in my experience. In my view, when referring to ‘evolutionary’ religions the authors are not utilizing the term as an adjective defining something which is naturally subject to change, but rather as descriptive of these religions technique of origination as contrasted with ‘revelatory’ religion. Without getting sidetracked further in that semantic, we do agree with their “fair observation” that instit
  9. George and PC friends, Doubtful that my understanding will satisfy, I'll continue a little longer for those who are finding it difficult to research the subject from the multiple perspectives of the reference I've already linked. In my opinion the term ‘natural evil’ has no applicable meaning. As I explained earlier, ‘potential’ evil originates from the differentials inherent in progressive time-space evolution while ‘actual’ evil (perhaps ‘moral’ evil fits loosely here) does not manifest absent unconscious or unintended erroneous will-choice. By the way, since the appearance of human
  10. Joseph, Do you so completely discountenance subjectivity that ‘you’ propose there are no “point(s) along a continuum”? My understanding is that subjective-mind differentiation is essential to progressive time-experience, otherwise what’s the point (pun intended) of any of this? Thus the concept of ‘potential’ evil is evolutionarily valid, even though ‘actual’ error is dependent upon subjective choice. In good spirit, Brent
  11. PC friends, To me, the concept of ‘natural evil’ as a precursor to human will-choice can only be understood as the potential for error which is “inherent in evolutionary growth”. The authors of the Urantia Papers thoroughly addressed the questions of evil, error, sin, and iniquity. Perhaps this link to the subject of evil from an online topical index will aid some in deeper examination. We might consider, for example: And from the ‘Jesus’ papers, UP 148: 4 – Evil, Sin, and Iniquity Best regards, Brent
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  13. PC friends, In Part III - THE HISTORY OF URANTIA (beginning with UPaper 57: THE ORIGIN OF URANTIA), the authors of the UPapers deal quite extensively with the evolutionary history of our beloved home planet. Herein, they also address some aspects of evolutionary socialized religion (as distinct from "personal" faith) and its periodic advancement through epochal revelatory adjustments. As I'm particularly drawn to the enculturation of revealed religion and am involved in some related disussion on other boards, I've thought to post some UP quotes which may find beneficial lodgement here
  14. Thanks Derek, for your introduction of Wayne Teasdale, now added to my Amazon wish list ... Yvonne, I'd like to pray with you for more interspiritual community. It'll come to us... Loving progress, Brent
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