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I think he is a failure and an embarrassment to the country. His denial of the Russian 'interference," his attacks on the press, the FBI, Justice, his name calling, his bullying, his insistence on the wall, his taunting of other leaders, his ignorance, his infatuation with Fox news, people having to be careful how they present info because of his sensitivity, his treatment and dismissal of women, his lust for his daughter, and so much more. I think he has enough time................:+}

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Blessed are the peacemakers.  No war with Russia.  North Korea's disarmament will earn Trump a Nobel.  The multiple wars in the mideast no longer include the US.

I have never seen a first term president have such astounding success.

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He's just at war with his everybody else...........:=}

No war with Russia? Except for the cyber attack and the interference in an American election- but otherwise............!

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I must admit there is some amusement in in the trump gong show.

Stormy Daniels circus will be interesting. It will be to see how many women will come out of the woodwork and take a tilt at their non-disclosure agreements. Having said that a person's sexual affairs is not really relevant to their capability as a leader. 

Being able to pick and keep a good team around the office would be a sign of effective leadership. Not lying to your neighbour's prime minister would also be a sign of effective leadership. Not bullying your trade partners is also effective leadership. Now some might think this is shaking things up.  Well it sounds like HR McMaster is the next Casualty of Office.

Looking in from the outside ... all I can see is a shambles of a divine vessel. 

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2 hours ago, romansh said:

I must admit there is some amusement in in the trump gong show.

Stormy Daniels circus will be interesting. It will be to see how many women will come out of the woodwork and take a tilt at their non-disclosure agreements. Having said that a person's sexual affairs is not really relevant to their capability as a leader. 

Being able to pick and keep a good team around the office would be a sign of effective leadership. Not lying to your neighbour's prime minister would also be a sign of effective leadership. Not bullying your trade partners is also effective leadership. Now some might think this is shaking things up.  Well it sounds like HR McMaster is the next Casualty of Office.

Looking in from the outside ... all I can see is a shambles of a divine vessel. 

Amen!

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15 hours ago, thormas said:

Amen!

Exactly.

So my question would be what Progressive Christian values does Trump demonstrate?

The only Divine Vessel behaviours I can discern from Trump is that the Sacred would like to see more Democrats in Congress and the Senate.

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1 hour ago, romansh said:

Exactly.

So my question would be what Progressive Christian values does Trump demonstrate?

The only Divine Vessel behaviours I can discern from Trump is that the Sacred would like to see more Democrats in Congress and the Senate.

Your lack of biblical education is showing.  Divine vessels chosen by God are typically weak and flawed.  The Israelites were the weakest tribe in the region, and prone to paganism.  David was a licentious, murderous adulterer and libertine.  Jonah was a complete coward.

Trump prays and publicly praises God.  The commonality in those chosen by God seems to be their weakness and lack of innate ability, so that the power of God is not confused with the individual.

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1 hour ago, romansh said:

So my question would be what Progressive Christian values does Trump demonstrate?

The only Divine Vessel behaviours I can discern from Trump is that the Sacred would like to see more Democrats in Congress and the Senate.

None

The Sacred would like to part his hair and allow us to escape to freedom.

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1 hour ago, Burl said:

Your lack of biblical education is showing.  Divine vessels chosen by God are typically weak and flawed.  The Israelites were the weakest tribe in the region, and prone to paganism.  David was a licentious, murderous adulterer and libertine.  Jonah was a complete coward.

Trump prays and publicly praises God.  The commonality in those chosen by God seems to be their weakness and lack of innate ability, so that the power of God is not confused with the individual.

I'll just play a bit longer as I hate to do politics on such a site.

Moses could be said to have been weak - but then again. Peter also had his strengths and weaknesses - as did David. But with Trump one suspects that God has left, if not the building, at least this vessel: the Light is off and no One is home. 

Trump's biblical education was definitely lacking when he cited his favorite passage: 'Two Cor.' Then again, hard to have any real education if you never ........read.  As for praying, perhaps at some obviously public, religious events but he is/was a 'reality' star. As for public praise - he seems to have a problem understanding the 2nd part of the two great commandments and it will probably be a highlight reel upon meeting God at the pearly gates when the Lord begins to say: "when I was a Mexican, when I was a woman, when I was your daughter, when I was a faithful public servant working for the FBI............." and the Donald says, "when Lord, when did I bully you, when did I grope you........when did I yell to lock you up.....when, when, when? And, by the way Lord, Two Corinthians is my favorite."  Trump can have no gods before him since he thinks he walks on water :+}

Moses had abilities, Peter had game, David had skills ..............Trump not so much.  However there is noting to worry about: Trump would never let anyone doubt that his power and image is anything less than god's and we know from experience that if God ever tried to send a messenger to enlighten the president, Donald would simply dismiss that 'fake' messenger or a 'fake' god and tell us all about it when he tweets on the can in the early morning hours...........Typical day in the life!

 

 

 

 

 

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17 hours ago, Burl said:

Your lack of biblical education is showing.  Divine vessels chosen by God are typically weak and flawed.  The Israelites were the weakest tribe in the region, and prone to paganism.  David was a licentious, murderous adulterer and libertine.  Jonah was a complete coward.

Trump prays and publicly praises God.  The commonality in those chosen by God seems to be their weakness and lack of innate ability, so that the power of God is not confused with the individual.

Perhaps Burl ... but perhaps you don't have the critical evaluation of biblical education that I have.

And when it comes to God ... my education, evaluation and opinion are at least as equally valid as yours. 

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Former CIA Director John Brennan responding to Trump's tweet on McCabe's dismissal

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When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you.

Wow. Wow indeed.

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On March 15, 2018 at 9:52 PM, thormas said:

He's just at war with his everybody else...........:=}

No war with Russia? Except for the cyber attack and the interference in an American election- but otherwise............!

Thomas,

It seems to me we have been influencing and interfering with other countries and their elections for decades.  Is it ok for us but not for Russia? Also IMO it's about time somebody attacked the news media for slanted reporting. I think Russia was doing us a favor if they reported anything that was true. While no one wants their emails hacked, i personally think in this case the information was an eye opener for the American people.

Joseph

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Perhaps as bad as it looks to many, Trump may be just what the Doctor ordered. 😊

Even if he is a hard pill to swallow. 😊

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1 hour ago, JosephM said:

Thomas,

It seems to me we have been influencing and interfering with other countries and their elections for decades.  Is it ok for us but not for Russia? Also IMO it's about time somebody attacked the news media for slanted reporting. I think Russia was doing us a favor if they reported anything that was true. While no one wants their emails hacked, i personally think in this case the information was an eye opener for the American people.

Joseph

Two wrongs making a right? 

Edit 

I also have been toying with Clinton's political blunder of an idea half of the Trump voters being deplorable. Part of me wants to say but is refraining she was pointing to the wrong half. Those of poor education that were  motivated by racial dislike and perceived disenfranchisement is understandable. What I don't understand is those educated and ostensibly nice folks that hold their nose and claim Trump is doing good things. For example those that claim US's economy is of Trump's making - it is a palpable nonsense.  Obama's administration navigated the economic collapse through 2008/2009. Could it been done better - who knows. But what is clear the current administration inherited the top of the economic cycle.

As a voter and tax payer, I am not worried too much by the taxes I have. But I am concerned with how well they are spent. I also understand I might not be in the right position to assess this.

Either way those on both sides of deplorable equation, and those who did not vote for Trump, are products of the chaotic environment they have found themselves in.

 

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41 minutes ago, romansh said:

Two wrongs making a right? 

Edit 

I also have been toying with Clinton's political blunder of an idea half of the Trump voters being deplorable. Part of me wants to say but is refraining she was pointing to the wrong half. Those of poor education that were  motivated by racial dislike and perceived disenfranchisement is understandable. What I don't understand is those educated and ostensibly nice folks that hold their nose and claim Trump is doing good things. For example those that claim US's economy is of Trump's making - it is a palpable nonsense.  Obama's administration navigated the economic collapse through 2008/2009. Could it been done better - who knows. But what is clear the current administration inherited the top of the economic cycle.

As a voter and tax payer, I am not worried too much by the taxes I have. But I am concerned with how well they are spent. I also understand I might not be in the right position to assess this.

Either way those on both sides of deplorable equation, and those who did not vote for Trump, are products of the chaotic environment they have found themselves in.

 

I had no intention to say anything was right or wrong. Only wondering why so many seem to focus so much on Russia's actions rather than clean our own house first. I don't see it as right or wrong , just a fact of current political life.  It seems to me that countries have had and still do have favorites they would like to see in power in other countries. It's understandable to me. Personally I am no more excited about their meddling than our own. 

Yes, the current administration inherited an already recovering economy but I don't think our current policy is hurting it any. Time will tell. Trump seems to be shaking up Washington and all the opposition / media can focus on is his past personal life. What a joke. 😀

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By all means, getting our own house in order is reasonable. 

You have to wonder why there is a focus on Russian meddling?

My personal bet is the Trump election team showed a naiveté bordering on the culpable. Regarding Trump's sexual peccadillos, sort of irrelevant, but it does show a predilection for behaviours that foreign governments may have captured and wish to use. Pointing to the possibility that even the "salacious" aspects of the "fake" dossier are not necessarily untrue.  The fact that your President seems immune to all this, at least in his believers eyes is difficult to understand. The President seems to think he can bully to get legislation or trade deals done is interesting.

Is this really what you think the doctor ordered?

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On 3/26/2018 at 9:28 AM, JosephM said:

Thomas,

It seems to me we have been influencing and interfering with other countries and their elections for decades.  Is it ok for us but not for Russia? Also IMO it's about time somebody attacked the news media for slanted reporting. I think Russia was doing us a favor if they reported anything that was true. While no one wants their emails hacked, i personally think in this case the information was an eye opener for the American people.

Joseph

Okay for neither and on the media there is slanting on the left and right and blurring over reporting and opinion. The danger posed by Trump is that he, seemingly and believably, attacks to cover his ass and his attacks on the 4th estate, the court, the DOJ, the FBI, the intelligence agencies and entire peoples and continents undermines confidence in the USA and its government and its moral appeal (in spite of mistakes). 

You think interference in our elections, in our country is doing us a favor? And if it was true? Yet their information was one sided. Now if it were for both? No, even them it should not be accepted or tolerated or allowed to go unpunished.  The doctor didn't order Trump and no one wants that pill - unless it's Trump taking viagra before dropping his pants for a spanking. Groan - our President.

 

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Maybe what you guys need to run your country is a sharp business man/politician. Sorry they dont exist. Last time you had the politician now you got the business man/loose canon. OUCH. 

Watch this space. God bless America. Yea, right..........

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I'll go with the politician over the businessman - even though the former was deficient at times - at least he read, listened, spoke (well) and took his constitutional duties seriously.

GB America - right!

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Isn't balance the hardest thing to find. the US needs the diplomat, it also needs the out the box business man/women, sadly both come with lots of baggage and it's usually the baggage we dont like. Often politicians are bound up with a fear of man and become a political juggler and the entrepreneur business man is usually a narcissist, bully and one man band. Hello Mr Trump 

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It (the US) needs an intelligent person who can assemble an intelligent team that can get things done.

It also needs a more democratic system where those in office reflect accurately the support they have.

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Mr Trump appears to have a real struggle with those that disagree with him, lets home Mike Spence hang around. 

T

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6 hours ago, romansh said:

It (the US) needs an intelligent person who can assemble an intelligent team that can get things done.

It also needs a more democratic system where those in office reflect accurately the support they have.

Yes to the first (and an Experienced politician over a business person).

As to the second: once elected, one should be President for all, unlike Trump who is President for 35%. 

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2 hours ago, apexcone said:

Mr Trump appears to have a real struggle with those that disagree with him, lets home Mike Spence hang around. 

T

Pence is scary in his own right: with his fear of being with another woman alone - even if it is business or political (a bit insulting to women)?? Then there is his ultra right Christianity and what it means for women, immigrants and the LGBTQ community. It would be nice if both were voted out. 

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