Revelations Or Coverup?

[dstgarner217@yahoo.com]

Ok, I am not here to judge, only point out some history facts, and myth legends, and well you decide.

 

ok, first thing that led me to question the new testiment was the wording of revelations. I started thinking of how the wording sounds just like a psychic tarrot card reading. Not that Jesus of Nazarith isn't the true son. We all know that Ancient Greeks worshiped Zeus the Sun God. I started thinking of an astronomy college class that I took and the Ancient Greeks and the constellations. I also thought about an episode of the seven wonders of the world and the Big Statue of Zeuss which was described the same way as christ is described when he returns. And in the revelation he said I am the Alpha Omega, beginning and end, the day and night...no man cometh unto the father except by me....the sun of god or son of god. I also noticed that in KJV and NIV it says that Jesus called John up to heaven because noone else could read the scroll of the lamb noone was pure enough. At the same time the Jesus referred to in the revelations puts himself in the place of God, because Jesus' words are in red, not Gods. I am not Challanging any theory of Jesus Christ. Only the Revelations, some other things possibly added or tampered with in the new testiment. and the Roman Empire, since the history of Rome it has been under rule of some kind of evil, back to the man Rome was named after. He was the bastard twin sent up river by this king who's daughter was supposed to be heirress to throne and her honor was promised not to be taken. The king killed his daughter, sent the twins up stream to be taken care of by a prostitue. When the twins found out about the King was killed and they had heir to the throne. One brother kills the other in envy and throws a celebration for his new kingdom with the plot of stealing like 600 daughters of a local tribe and raping them and forcing them to be there wives. Look it up its Remus and Ramos or something like that....the start of the roman empire. Another couple of interesting things....one was of course that the revelation clearly states the antichrist is a roman papal(pope) which is why I think maybe the revelations is a psychic interpretation that is twisted...who knows we will see...but it also talks about the mark of the beast...is 666...ok i can think of two one which is 3 egyptian pyramids (which was under the rule of roman empire) and the crusifix...if you count all sides even the ends of the posts of the crusifix you get 18. and what is 18 divided by 3? also If Gods Ten Commandments are the rules he gave us to live by, then we should know that he says to not bow down to any gods before him....(The new testement makes it to seem that Jesus says he is the holy light that makes god see us...hmmm (Son of god or Sun of god) He is the one to rescue us from the sins of man (one text) Another NIV, says he is coming save us from our sins. And if we are weary sinners to call on him because God Cant see us anymore, because we are not pure with holy light like him. The history channel aired this just last night (12/9/05) that St. Lucy (who was a high priestess who took a vow of silence by the way) and two friends were visited by the virgin Mary when Lucy was 10 and was said to have been visited by the Virgin Mother and was shown three visions that scared her to death, so much that she took a vow of silience. Before her death she reveled two, and after her death the third was seen only by John Paul II himself, there is only speculation, but its set that he was full of archery bows and burning in the pits of hell..If the vision is twisted to make the roman god seem like the true christ, which our symbols of him crucified (which may have been the big cover up to make us worship their GOD) SCARY!!! Another thing in Ten Commandments says keep the sabath holy. Rest that day. The Roman Catholic Church at somepoint , was said to change that to "SUN"day. Look at any calander. Saturday is the seventh day, and we aren't doing that. wer are being lazy on that day. And notice the sun in pictures from a light house (which was also one of the roman seven wonders of the world) so maybe the seven wonders of the world is what is mentioned as where the seven churches are. The bride church is said to be that of Jeruselum, and o naturally the whore is the Roman Catholic Church. And last night the History Channel had a documentary on the lost cities of Jeruselum and the lost city of Atlantis. Atlantis was said to be at least as far advanced as us riches beyond the human imagination. and they were believed to have even had airplanes. and there were pictures of men with holy lights over there heads (like davinci's last supper of Jesus with the sun shaped light over his head) The men on the walls of the lost city of Atlantis had them too. The people spoiled them selves and worshiped like us. I think it is apparent there is an evil in this world...a great mysterious cover up. If we don't Turn the tables instead (ALAN PARSONS PROJECT SONG EYE IN THE SKY SAYS IT WELL) then our country will be damned because we are promoting it. We have to stop it and let people see the truth. One more fact...Christmas (DEC 25th) is known as the first day of the "new sun" after the harvest, ancients were know to have worshiped the Sun God to bless there harvest. Originally, I believe it was January 6th after the new year that we started to celebrate birth of christ. look at the zodiac symbols, and read the wording of the text of revelations. down to the four horseman, they are zodiac symbols. I don't know much about horoscopes, but I knew enough from atronomy and learning constellations to pick up on a few things. OH what about the statue of liberty???? she looks very much like the sun god zues figure that was said to be struck down by the wrath of god. This is alot to soak in and this is only a lot of history revealing it self which made me second guess my faith. Do the math, read the text for yourself, research it. then you too will be second guessing!!

[jamesAMDG]

Don't feed the trolls right? But who can resist such ramblings, I mean really?

 

Ok, I am not here to judge, only point out some history facts, and myth legends, and well you decide.

 

ok, first thing that led me to question the new testiment was the wording of revelations.  I started thinking of how the wording sounds just like a psychic tarrot card reading.  Not that Jesus of Nazarith isn't the true son.  We all know that Ancient Greeks  worshiped Zeus the Sun God.  I started thinking of an astronomy college class that I took and the Ancient Greeks and the constellations.  I also thought about an episode of the seven wonders of the world and the Big Statue of Zeuss which was described the same way as christ is described when he returns.  And in the revelation he said I am the Alpha Omega, beginning and end, the day and night...no man cometh unto the father except by me....the sun of god or son of god.  I also noticed that in KJV and NIV it says that Jesus called John up to heaven because noone else could read the scroll of the lamb noone was pure enough.  At the same time the Jesus referred to in the revelations puts himself in the place of God, because Jesus' words are in red, not Gods.  I am not Challanging any theory of Jesus Christ.  Only the Revelations, some other things possibly added or tampered with in the new testiment. and the Roman Empire, since the history of Rome it has been under rule of some kind of evil, back to the man Rome was named after.  He was the bastard twin sent up river by this king who's daughter was supposed to be heirress to throne and her honor was promised not to be taken.  The king killed his daughter, sent the twins up stream to be taken care of by a prostitue.  When the twins found out about the King was killed and they had heir to the throne.  One brother kills the other in envy and throws a celebration for his new kingdom with the plot of stealing like 600 daughters of a local tribe and raping them and forcing them to be there wives.  Look it up  its Remus and Ramos or something like that....the start of the roman empire.  Another couple of interesting things....one was of course that the revelation clearly states the antichrist is a roman papal(pope)  which is why I think maybe the revelations is a psychic interpretation that is twisted...who knows we will see...but it also talks about the mark of the beast...is 666...ok i can think of two one which is 3 egyptian pyramids (which was under the rule of roman empire) and the crusifix...if you count all sides even the ends of the posts of the crusifix you get 18.  and what is 18 divided by 3?  also If Gods Ten Commandments are the rules he gave us to live by, then we should know that he says to not bow down to any gods before him....(The new testement makes it to seem that Jesus says he is the holy light that makes god see us...hmmm (Son of god or Sun of god)  He is the one to rescue us from the sins of man (one text)  Another NIV, says he is coming save us from our sins.  And if we are weary sinners to call on him because God Cant see us anymore, because we are not pure with holy light like him.  The history channel aired this just last night (12/9/05) that St. Lucy (who was a high priestess who took a vow of silence by the way) and two friends were visited by the virgin Mary when Lucy was 10 and was said to have been visited by the Virgin Mother and was shown three visions that scared her to death, so much that she took a vow of silience.  Before her death she reveled two, and after her death the third was seen only by John Paul II himself, there is only speculation, but its set that he was full of archery bows and burning in the pits of hell..If the vision is twisted to make the roman god seem like the true christ, which our symbols of him crucified (which may have been the big cover up to make us worship their GOD)  SCARY!!!  Another thing in Ten Commandments says keep the sabath holy.  Rest that day.  The Roman Catholic Church at somepoint , was said to change that to "SUN"day.  Look at any calander.  Saturday is the seventh day, and we aren't doing that.  wer are being lazy on that day.  And notice the sun in pictures from a light house (which was also one of the roman seven wonders of the world) so maybe the seven wonders of the world is what is mentioned as where  the seven churches are.  The bride church is said to be that of Jeruselum, and o naturally the whore is the Roman Catholic Church.  And last night the History Channel had a documentary on the lost cities of Jeruselum and the lost city of Atlantis.  Atlantis was said to be at least as far advanced as us riches beyond the human imagination.  and they were believed to have even had airplanes. and there were pictures of men with holy lights over there heads (like davinci's last supper of Jesus with the sun shaped light over his head)  The men on the walls of the lost city of Atlantis had them too.  The people spoiled them selves and worshiped like us.  I think it is apparent there is an evil in this world...a great mysterious cover up.  If we don't Turn the tables instead (ALAN PARSONS PROJECT SONG EYE IN THE SKY SAYS IT WELL) then our country will be damned because we are promoting it.  We have to stop it and let people see the truth.  One more fact...Christmas (DEC 25th)  is known as the first day of the "new sun" after the harvest, ancients were know to have worshiped the Sun God to bless there harvest.  Originally, I believe it was January 6th after the new year that we started to celebrate birth of christ.  look at the zodiac symbols, and read the wording of the text of revelations.  down to the four horseman, they are zodiac symbols.  I don't know much about horoscopes, but I knew enough from atronomy and learning constellations to pick up on a few things.  OH what about the statue of liberty????  she looks very much like the sun god zues figure that was said to be struck down by the wrath of god.  This is alot to soak in and this is only a lot of history revealing it self which made me second guess my faith.  Do the math, read the text for yourself, research it.  then you too will be second guessing!! 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

So if revelation clearly spells out that the anti-Christ will be a pope? Why is that so much anti-Catholic garbage like Chick tracts take such pains to say the word "pope" never appears in the Bible? Or for that matter you don;t offer any references for this (or anything else for that matter)?

 

But I did want to correct a few little things as they concern the FACTS of the apparitions of Our Blessed Lady at Fatima. Sister Lucia is not a Saint, her cause might have been opened (I don't know) but she has most certainly not been canonized. Secondly she was a religious Sister, a member of the Carmelite Order. As far as any of research indicates she didn't take a vow of silence as such, but rather followed her vocation into a cloistered lifestyle where she had very little direct contact with the outside world.

 

Sr. Lucia shared the "Third Secret" with the Bishop of Leira in 1944, he told Pope Pius XII. She said the secret should be revelaed at the Pope's discretion and not before 1960. So it stands to reason that all successive Popes after Pius XII knew the secret.

 

Catholics (and all Christians other than 7th-Day Adventists (to the best of my knowledge) worship on Sunday because it was the day of the Christ's resurrection. Read the Early Fathers and you'll see tons of references to the reasons for worshipping on Sunday.

 

But that's enough for now.

 

p.s. - please use punctuation and spacing, makes your screeds easier to read.

 

p.p.s - flow- I'm toally going to reply to what you were writing about whether Islam brought reason and philosophy to the West in the tenth century, look for it tomorrow (Sunday in honour of Christ's Resurrection)

Edited December 10, 2005 by jamesAMDG

[des]

Re: per the troll business, going to take this one seriously by a benefit of the doubt sort of thing.

 

> the sun god zues figure that was said to be struck down by the wrath of god. This is alot to soak in and this is only a lot of history revealing it self which made me second guess my faith. Do the math, read the text for yourself, research it. then you too will be second guessing!!

 

Well you can use any text or building in history and read what you will into it. I took a class in ancient astronomy at the Planetarium. Seems they had a long convulted explanation as to how if you viewed the planetarium in certain ways at the solstice you would come to view a certain building and the rays (or whatever) of the sunslight would exactly touch a certain part of the building.. etc etc. Thing is there was ZERO significance. It just so happened.

It proves that you have to be very careful re: ancient thoughts and motives.

 

I'm sure one can read into a lot of things.

 

Do I agree with my worthy fellow poster on TCPC, James on most things? No. Not even on most all things. I do agree with him re: any kind of promulgation of anti-Catholic thinking. Not that I agree iwth them.

 

But I think you are stretching the meaning of a lot of what you are reading and reading into and about. Now this is not to say that the ancient writings weren't aware of some of these things (perhaps all of them), and no doubt they would have added things in that would make the texts more significant. I have heard this son of God thing before, btw. I'm sure they were too. But I think it is more likely they added it to appeal more to the pagans of the day than the other way around. Christmas is celebrated on Dec. 25th near a pagan holiday. There is no reason to think that Jesus was born then. But takes advantage-- I would say brilliantly of this holiday, the light of the world and all that.

 

 

--des

[flowperson]

p.p.s - flow- I'm toally going to reply to what you were writing about whether Islam brought reason and philosophy to the West in the tenth century, look for it tomorrow (Sunday in honour of Christ's Resurrection)

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Uhhh, I believe that I pointed out that Islam preserved and extended essential knowledge concerning science and mathematics into Europe, not reason and philosophy. Admittedly, it's hard to do quality science and mathematics without the ability to use reason and philosophical skills, but I was emphasizing knowledge transfer in a technical sense.

 

 

flow....

Edited December 10, 2005 by flowperson

[FredP]

Maybe there's some significance to the fact that there are only three complete sentences in that entire post.

 

But it's the Alan Parsons Project reference that clinches the argument for me. Great album, by the way.

[AletheiaRivers]

testiment

tarrot

Nazarith

Zeuss

noone

Challanging

prostitue

crusifix

testement

heirress

silience

sabath

somepoint

Jeruselum

calander

wer

davinci's

atronomy

zues

 

I'm not usually a spelling Nazi, but COME ON!

[flowperson]

As that distinguished actor Mr. James Carey (sp?) would say when he has that green metal mask on his face

 

...SMMMMOKINNNN'.... !!!!!

 

flow....

Edited December 10, 2005 by flowperson

[des]

Gosh, guys, I didn't pay that much attention to catch all those spelling errors. Of course, I teach spelling (and reading) by day. On weekends I transform into the mild mannered tv addict. :-)

 

--des