Pipiripi

On 12/27/2019 at 10:16 PM, FireDragon76 said:

I finally came to the realization a few months ago that I'm done with my church (conservative ELCA congregation).  I do not agree with evangelicalism approach to spirituality anymore, even in a relatively tolerant, quasi-mainline form.  There's too much potential toxic religious ideas there.

So, I'm not sure what I do now... if I consider myself Buddhist or just become a religious none.  It's a new thing for me.   I accept the conclusions, more or less, of the Jesus Seminar, especially Marcus Borg's views on the subject.  I'm not a pure skeptic, but I am a pragmatist and since I don't have a realist view of God, I would need a really good reason to remain identified as a Christian.

I suppose my worldview is Jungian, something closer to that.  I'm not a materialist, nor am I inclined towards scientism.  I just don't accept the dogmatism and anti-intellectualism that's part and parcel with evangelicalism.

I love that you have done with church. Is time to follow only Jesus and the author that have written the Bible through God. I can answer all qustions Biblical, because by digging deep in God's word He have open my mind. We are FEW that can answered all qustions Biblical. 

18 hours ago, Pipiripi said:

Jesus says that all the prophets and Kings and His people was waiting for the Messiah to come. They have died without seeing Him. When Jesus was here, they don't recognize Him. Today we are doing the same mistake. Read Matthew 24 again. Do all that Jesus has said their have fulfill? No! Many people don't understand what Jesus has says about what Daniel has written. I hope that you have understand me.

About the 1000 year, read 1thessalonians 5:1-5. 

Verse 4-5 must be written for us my friend. Better read it all.

17 hours ago, thormas said:

What I meant is we all know of people who have predicted the end and it never came. Simply they were wrong.

What do you mean by 'the account of people?'

Read Revelation 6:9-12. My brother maybe it can be me or you time to cut our head off. Today they are killing many Christians, this Christians are the true progressive people of God. 

7 hours ago, Burl said:

No one but the Father knows when the end times are, but are we not guaranteed 1000 years of peace before?  So we will definitely miss it.

Jesus says that all the prophets and Kings and His people was waiting for the Messiah to come. They have died without seeing Him. When Jesus was here, they don't recognize Him. Today we are doing the same mistake. Read Matthew 24 again. Do all that Jesus has said their have fulfill? No! Many people don't understand what Jesus has says about what Daniel has written. I hope that you have understand me.

16 hours ago, thormas said:

However, how many people throughout history have said the end is near..........and here we still are. 

 

We are still here because the account of people that must have eternal live is not completed. The Apostles also thinking that Jesus come in their time. It is that because that we was already in God's mind to come in existence, His plan must fulfill. 

30 minutes ago, thormas said:

You're doing fine Pipiripi and we can continue to have a supportive discussion about 'progressive Christians in revelations' in a 'debate' section.

 

 

 

 

Okay, you know how to make one, make it and we can continue, let me know.

4 hours ago, JosephM said:

You are correct Thomas ... You didn't start this thread but you opened a discussion in a PC thread that calls for no response or questions to the posts that turned into a prolonged discussion. If you want to give Pipiripi a point you can do so on any of his posts. He didn't start a thread. If you want a discussion only for PC's , start a new thread in the PC forum under a different topic,

JosephM (as Admin)

Thormas make a new forum and call it End Times Prophecy. We must preached the Everlasting Gospel to the world today. I'm new here. Many things to learn here. 

8 hours ago, thormas said:

Pipiripi,

I think this thread should indicate it was started by you - it certainly wasn't started by me.

My vote is in and it is Pipiripi!!!!

Thormas my brother, we are a family. We are the body and Jesus is the head. I need you, you need me. That is real progressive Christians. I have to go read the rules better again. My English is very bad. I tired to defend myself. 

On 1/30/2020 at 6:29 AM, PaulS said:

Hi Pipiripi

Welcome to the forum.  I hope you enjoy exploring and participating here.

Cheers

Paul

Thanks Paul

4 hours ago, thormas said:

And if it is to be taken literally, how are we understand the difference versions of the crucifixion and appearances and the radically different conception and birth stories?

All the movies that you have seen is an author of other nation. The most people today see Jesus as the old movie Jesus picture. Do you see now why people are disguising about color of Jesus? It is about the film author. Do you see passion of Christ, playing by Mel Gibson? Do you see how they have change his face just like the first film of Jesus? My friends is time to know what will happen to this world today. 

I know there is not much time left. 

3 hours ago, thormas said:

Are you saying there is no true image of man anywhere else in the Bible? Not Genesis, Paul or elsewhere in the NT?

What I'm saying is that all images are imagining how the people look likes. 

The most of us has a picture of Jesus in our minds the way that we have seen it in a movie or painting, statue. And always in a vision or dreams you see Jesus like you have it in your mind. Literally Jesus should like the Israelites that you see today. He came from them.

13 hours ago, thormas said:

There is something to be said about your statement. I do agree that, for the Christian, a story (but not sure if you mean vision or understanding of a story) has to be in harmony with the Bible. 

There is a Christian scholar, Gabriel Moran, who spoke of the Present Revelation and used the image of man with one foot in his present while the other foot in anchored in the 'time of the NT- and that the latter is a guide for the former. It gets involved but I have always liked the image.

The only true man image in the Bible is the dream of the king in the book of Daniel. 

On 2/1/2020 at 12:43 AM, PaulS said:

I think they tend to call that 'confirmation bias' Pipripi.  It seems to me that people would have no idea whether it was a Jesus opening their mind or simply their own thoughts that give them belief in something.  In my opinion, Daniel and Revelation have no connection whatsoever, other than they are both people writing about their understanding of God stuff.

People that wrote the Bible was inspired by God. God tell them what they must write.

7 minutes ago, PaulS said:

I would argue about your understanding of what 'real' Progressive Christians are, but I'm sure we could argue all day and not necessarily agree.  What I do know is that many people who regard themselves as Progressive Christians would say they use more than the bible as their guide.  So for me, I wouldn't be categorizing them as not real PC's if they used other sources.  Myself, I think the bible has a lot of limitations in the modern world (it' individual writings were written for people largely 2000-3500 years ago) and I don't read much of it literally but rather consider it individual opinions and views about how those individual authors (and perhaps the cultures at the different times) understood God.  That makes sense to me when one sees the changing nature, character and stories about what God 'is' as the writings progress.

I'm agree with you, I mean if anybody bring a story or whatever it has to be in harmony with the Bible. I must find it or most of it in the Bible. Sorry for my English, I'm not an English man. Thanks.

15 minutes ago, PaulS said:

I'm not sure anybody can 'know' what the Book of Revelation was actually getting at, as we just don't have the understanding of the world back then that the author did.  I think most biblical scholarship these days though sees Revelation as more of a shot at the all-powerful Roman Empire which had Israel under its heel rather than writings representative of any second coming or ultimate end of the world as we seem to consider it today.

My brother for understanding the Book of Daniel and Revelation we need to ask Jesus to open our minds. All the symbolic language have their own meaning. It is a very long study to write it up here. My friend don't you see that the book of Revelation is the last book in the Bible? Read how Jesus has begin to speak with John. Read how God has tell Daniel what he must do in Daniel 12.

9 hours ago, thormas said:

Vision not prophecy: I like it. Well said.

Hi, what is vision and what is prophecy?  You cannot separate them. God have let them see what will happens till the end of this world and tell them to write it. 

Hello all,  I understand that many Christians today don't understand the book of Daniel and Revelation. 

Real Progressive Christians have the Bible only as their source of guides. Revelation 12:17 and 14:12 are the progressive Christians today. They have two things Biblical that many other denominations don't have. They KEEP the 10 Comandments and HAVE the faith OF Jesus, not in Jesus. The Devil has twist the word of God so badly that the world are following man's teaching rather then God's teachings. 

Look what is happening today. God is calling His people to come out of Babylon  (the fallen churches), and today they are uniting with the Rome Catholic Church. 

Read Revelation 18:4. Read John 10:1-16. Focus on verse 16. And before you go read those chapters and verses or after, Read Galatians 1:1-10. Paul apostle of Jesus has spoken.

God Bless.

22 hours ago, thormas said:

Perhaps - do you have a modern day interpretation that makes sense of this passage to 21st C listeners?

I assume that progressive Christians wouldn't take this literally.

Do you know that the book of Revelation speak from the fall from Satan of heaven till the New World that God are going to created?  So today we are also in this prophecy. 

Progressive Christians are those people describe in the book of Revelation 14:6-12. And verse 12 is the progressive children of God.

I'm just in, let me explore the continent. Thanks 

Hi I'm new here and I hope that I'm home here. Thanks.