Pipiripi

On 5/6/2020 at 8:37 AM, JosephM said:

Who is the "they" that determined which books were accurate and when? You still have not answered which version of the Bible is most accurate. There are dozens of Christian versions. KJV, NAS, ASV, GW, NIV, NLT, NLS  etc. etc.   Which version  is it that is accurate and infallible?

Then I guess "all"  aren;t healed as you posted, only those who have true faith?

If i didn't use the Christian calendar you wouldn't understand what i meant. Where does the law require one to be Christian to use it so that others may understand?  It is used by most of the world today and most religions. What's the big deal? It was not introduced until 1582. Christians before that had top use  the Julian Roman calendar. So were there no Christians before 1582 because they used a pagan calendar?  

God has make everything including the days. The first day of creation. 

It doesn't matter which Bible is better, search on Google which Bible is closer to the original. Scholars have already do it. Only you just go to Google or Wikipedia. They have the pictures for you. 

For me it is very important to not to used anything that I don't believe into it, as my birthday or any other days. If you follow the Christian item is it pagan or not, show me from your believe how old you are my friend. 

On 4/8/2020 at 12:26 PM, JosephM said:

Which version? You did not answer the question i asked. Also other religions could make the same claim. Where does it say in the Bible that God said to write the 66 books that comprise it? Who choose the 66 books from the more than 100 and when?

Are "all sick people are still healing in the name of Jesus "? Howbeit, there are some  healed and some are not? Yet you use the word "all sick people"

How old am i? what calendar would you have me use?

My friend, it is not about choosing. It is what they have found what was left or hide. And God self has protected the rest of the old scriptures that we have today. Why the 66 books? Because they have determined that if the other scriptures that the founded, they don't need to write an other new Bible to put them in it. What we have is enough to put or trust in. Ask yourself why the devil didn't destroy the scriptures that we have now. 

The sick people that don't heal, is because they don't have true faith. Go on YouTube and search for emanuel tv.

How old are you accordance to yours believe? Don't used Christians calendar. Because you don't believe in Jesus. 

On 2/27/2020 at 1:45 PM, romansh said:

I likely have posted this before …  it is Blackmore talking about the process of evolution as applied to things other than biology.

Hi! Take a look and answered the questions by yourself. 

The Atheist Delusion Movie. Look in YouTube 

 

16 hours ago, JosephM said:

Pipiripi,

Which book or books did God tell people to write down? The Old Testament, The New Testament (which version or translation is most accurate KJV, ASV, AB, ESV, NAS, etc ), The Pauli Cannon, The Bhagavad Gita, The Dao de Jing, The Vedas, The Quran, The Book of Shadows, etc.. Each religion claims its own sacred book and believes it is truth.

Joseph 

My friend the BIBLE. 

Believe what is written in the Bible and follow Jesus.  Ask yourself why till today all sick people are still healing in the name of Jesus. 

If there was magician in the time before Jesus in the Bible and till today they are doing magic, why is it difficult to trust God? 

I have a question for you: How old are you? But used an Atheist calendar to show me your age. 

On 2/23/2020 at 10:10 PM, PaulS said:

Pipripi,

I only have so much time in my day and if I spent an hour on every book, film clip, movie etc that somebody asked me to spend time on because it supports their argument, I would literally have no time left even to feed myself.  I have read several reviews of this YouTube production and find it not of particular interest.  https://thehumanist.com/arts_entertainment/film/film-review-atheist-delusion

Cheers

Paul

Okay, then we don't have much to say my friend. 

I'm preparing for the New World Order and One Religion. 

9 hours ago, Burl said:

No, Piriripi.  Moses did not write those books, but you are now correct in that God did not write them either.  They are of human origin.  Moses dies before the end of Exodus, and he certainly wrote nothing after he died. 

Genesis has at least four redactors of the Hebrew mythic history.  The two incompatible creation myths in Genesis show that the authors were fairly including all versions and not attempting to create a single, cohesive narrative.  This increases their credibility.

My brother, do you think that God cannot tell you to write down, what He is going to tell you what will happen in the future?

What about Daniel? John the revelator (Revelation)? And many more, and also in different period of times. 

One more question: Are you sure that your birthday is real?

I have born on 11-11-1961. I'm sure of my birthday. 

1 hour ago, PaulS said:

No, you need to understand the science of evolution.  Just like we understand the science of gravity, biology, nuclear physics, chemistry, etc etc - when you understand the science of evolution you can move past the peer pressure of religion.

I understand the science of evolution. Now I have question for you.  When you see this movie, imagine that I'm the one that ask questions, and you have to answered my questions. If you don't see it is because you don't have an open mind. 

The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) HD

I hope and pray for you to see it with an open mind. 

6 hours ago, PaulS said:

So what I am trying to get at, but it feels like pulling teeth, is do you accept that mankind evolved from other species?  Yes or no? [Quotes] 

If you accept the science of evolution that mankind did evolve, then I am asking you how that affects what you think mankind needs to be saved from and at what point on the spectrum do you think man needed this saving, as opposed to the other animals that started this journey billions of years ago and seem to not need such saving.

Man was created from the DUST my friend. He was created by God that was always. God doesn't have a beginning and an end. 

17 hours ago, Burl said:

I agree that the bible is not a simple book, so we must read all of it carefully and prayerfully especially when it seems difficult.

Your topic is Genesis and evolution, but you are avoiding my question.  How do you explain the two different creation stories in Genesis?

 

 

Hi, they are not 2 different stories. Genesis 1 tell us how it everything was created. And Genesis 2 tell us how the story continues. So Moses now is telling us what more things that God have done when He have finished His creation. You see that God have given them a commandment. It is just like movie, it takes months for make it, but it isn't longer then 2 hours. 

Just think here a moment. 

Creation.

Adam and Eve. Kain and Abel. Noah and the Flood. The Tower of Babel.

2000 BC

Abraham go to Palestine, ca. 1900. Born of Isaac. Born of Esau and Jacob. 

1800 BC

The 12 tribe and all their families in Egypt. They became slaves in Egypt. 

1600 BC

Moses take the Israelites out of Egypt. 

If you see here my friend, this is the how we have the story of the beginning of this world till Moses.  Moses has wrote this first 5 books. Only God knows the past and the future completely. 

It is the same that you are going to write the story of your life. The first 5 years you don't know nothing of your live. Your parents has told you. I hope that you have understand me.

21 minutes ago, Burl said:

Piriripi, how do you reconcile the creation myths in Genesis 1 & 2?  

In Genesis 1 man and woman are created together after the creation of plants and animals.

In Genesis 2, man is created first and then plants were created.  God then created animals in an attempt to make a mate for Adam and failed, so Eve was made out of his rib.

Burl, God can never fail. He is the creator, and if He will make you knew, nothing can stop Him. Do you think that God is powerless?

The Bible is not a simple book that we read like the other books. The Bible was written by 66 authors in different period of time. My friend Jesus is coming soon, I don't know what is your doubts. Look what God has says in Isaiah 45:9-13.

5 hours ago, PaulS said:

I guess we will, if you choose not to stay on topic (evolution) and discuss the question at hand - do you think this need for salvation (from whatever it is you think homo sapiens need to be saved from ) existed when homo sapiens were 'lesser' animals, before they evolved to the species they are today?  After all, this is a thread concerning evolution's falseness or otherwise and I think it is only reasonable to discuss those questions around it. Unless of course genuine interest is not your desire and only acceptance of your view perhaps is.

If you genuinely have an interest in deepening your understanding of my spiritual path, then feel free to start another thread on the matter and I will discuss further with you.  I am more than happy to in a separate thread, but again, I have my suspicions that you have no genuine interest in an open and sharing discussion.  Maybe you will surprise me.

 

I'm ready for everything my brother. I can answer all questions Biblical. I really want to know your spiritual path my brother.  Sorry for my English, because I'm not an English man. I'm new here and I tried to understand all the rules. Thanks. 

51 minutes ago, Burl said:

4 hours ago, PaulS said:

I have only a passing interest in speculating if God created man by using evolution.  I am not an anthropologist and 200k years is a terribly long time ago.

I am interested in the bible as one of our oldest literary creations and the cornerstone of our civilization.  I want to read it as accurately and as deeply as possible and try to determine what information those people who lived only 5k years ago intended to be preserved and passed on to me.  That is something I can confidently achieve.

How should I treat others?  How can I maintain and increase a conscious connection with God?  What pleasures seem attractive but turn into vices and lead into degeneracy and desperation?  How can I uplift others?  How can I live  fulfilled & content, and how can I face death without fear?

Those are some of my interests, and natural selection does not provide a source of inspiration.

Or  -  if it might  -  how?   What inspiration do you draw from that well?
 

The Hammer of Freedom

My brother I want you to go from how I believe in God. Don't trust nobody if they cannot show you BIBLICAL their teachings.  Go in here. end-times-prophecy.org download it. If you are open God will used you mighty for people to come in His kingdom. 

On 2/20/2020 at 8:59 AM, Burl said:

God bless you, Piriripi.  I admire your faith and I am glad to know you.  I post on a phone so I rarely write long missives or cover more than a single point so feel free to follow up.  
 

The two different stories of Adam and Eve in Genesis are interesting to me for contemporary and non-historical reasons.

The biggest is why did God create Adam?   God has already created angels and other elohim, but he then creates an entirely different being out of physical clay.  This baffles me, and it is the single most important question posed by the creation of mankind.

Why are we here?  What does God want from us?

My brother Burl, God have send me here only for one reason. To show the world how much He loves us. 

Why we are here?

My brother if you read Genesis 1:26-27, you see what was God plan. In Genesis 3:8, you will see that every evening God is in the garden with Adam and Eve. 

God want us to live forever with Him. For that reason He has created us. He didn't create a bundle of robots that He programmed for obey Him. 

When sin entered the world, God has already a plan for saving His creation. Look what God said to the prophet Jeremiah. Jeremiah 1:4-5.

God have seen us already before He created this world. 

I want you to see this movie on YouTube. 

The Atheist Delusion Movie (2016) HD. Living Water.

Let me know what do you think of it. God bless you all. 

16 hours ago, Burl said:

Yes and no.  

Darwin’s theory of natural selection is useful in understanding why species become extinct, and how varieties develop.  It is very useful in animal husbandry and agriculture.  This, like all good science,  is simply observing God in action.

Natural selection is not particularly useful in understanding biology above the species level where organisms cannot reproduce.  It is also not particularly useful in explaining the emergence of new biological structures.  

You are correct that the overgeneralization and backward extrapolation of natural selection into the pseudoscience improperly called evolution today is an error.  It is like saying one can feed sausage through the meat grinder backwards to produce pigs.
 

Piriripi, your post fails on both logical and biblical grounds.   Note that Peter states: “But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.” (2 Pet. 3:8).

 

I have a question, why did all the others apes man has starving out, but the monkeys are still alive? Who is the first man and woman? I know that my first parents are Adam and Eve. What about yours? My book of life have a beginning and an end. What about yours book? 

I'm amazed to see how this evolution deception is spreading throughout the churches today. Man in his quest to gain worldly knowledge is casting away the plain truth of God's Word and "thus saith the Lord" in favor of worldly wisdom. End times prophecy reveals we are living in the last days, so I suppose this kind of thing can be expected, as the Bible says: 

2 Timothy 4:3. And what is sound doctrine?....

Hebrews 4:3. Genesis 2:1-2. Exodus 20:11

We get two clear truths from the above verses. 1. If you believe in evolution, then you have to believe that this world CONTINUES to evolve throughout it's life. And yet God clearly states above that this world was FINISHED from the very foundation of creation. Therefore, if it was finished, then there can be no evolution. The physical and biological laws that govern the natural world were also finished. 

Also, 2. God said He made the heaven and earth in 6 DAYS, so why do we need to question it? No matter what man says in his "wisdom",  God has said that He created this world in 6 days. Now I expect unbelievers to question this, because they do not believe in God or the Bible. But for proffering Christians to question the authenticity of God's Word and to question the 6 day creation is beyond me. They are deceiving, pure and simple. As soon as you question the Word of God, you have allowed Satan to gain a foothold in your faith and before you know it your faith will be in pieces. 

1 Corinthians 3:19.

Do you see? God knew that man would come in his "wisdom" and question what God has said. But it is utter foolishness. 

Now many in the church are saying that the 6 could be 6 periods of time or 6 thousand years, as the Word of God says that a day with God is as a thousand years (2 Peter 3:8). Well, for starters, I believe the "day as a thousand years " statement is a prophetic one and in no way changes the 6 days of creation. And if God says a DAY in the creation account, then why can't we just believe that is what God meant, ONE DAY. Also, I believe God did something purposely to the creation order to dispel this kind of rubbish that man comes up with. What is the purpose of the sun? As without the sun, plant life would just die. Now take a look at this:

On the THIRD DAY, God created plant life (Genesis 1:12-13). 

On the FOURTH DAY, God created the sun (Genesis 1:16-19).

So if the "third day " was actually a thousand years or some other of time, then how could the plant life survive without the sun for this length of time? God didn't create the sun until the day AFTER the plant life. Go ask any worldly scientist and they will tell you how important the sun is for life exist on this earth. The fact is the heaven and earth was created in 6 actual days (24hr periods), which ties in fine with the DAY after plant life. 

The amazing thing is, the "scientist" who professing Christians believe in regards to "evolution" are the very same people who will tell you there is no God! And yet these Christians say that evolution could be thru just because the scientists say so. So if you go down this slippery path, it could also be thrue that there is no God right? Because that is what the scientists are saying also. Do you see how dangerous this is?

Friend, this world is coming to an end, the sign of the end times show how close we are to the second coming of Christ Jesus. Satan knows his time is short (Revelation 12:12), and his deceptions are increasing in strength. If we do not put our trust in the Word of God and stick to a plain "thus saith the Lord", then we will be in grave danger of being taken in by Satan's deceptions. Evolution being one of them!

One of the three angels messages in Revelation 14 points us to worship the Creator:

Revelation 14:6-7

This message is being said with a LOUD VOICE.  In other words  it's a very important message, which tells us to worship Him (God) that made heaven, and earth and the sea and the fountains of waters. Those words are taken from the fourth commandment, which says God created this earth in six days and rested the seventh day and blessed the seventh day as the sabbath. 

9 hours ago, JosephM said:

Burl,

No bullying here. Note it says in my view.  He has expressed his opinion and i have expressed mine. No offense is meant. Pipiripi is not a newbie to forums. He is well read in the Bible i can assure you of that.  I have done my research. He has bordered on attacking Thormas in a couple posts *  and i am not attacking him but rather suggesting that his post is filled with dogma and doctrine of the church system and, in my view, there are what i consider false premises that prevent one from breaking free of that dogma and doctrine . There is no requirement for him to do so or change his faith..

*     http://tcpc.ipbhost.com/topic/4544-im-done-with-church/?do=findComment&comment=52539

*    http://tcpc.ipbhost.com/topic/4544-im-done-with-church/?do=findComment&comment=52551

 

 

Do you see, all that I have wrote is in the Bible. Because my teaching is completely Biblical, and nobody can say that I'm wrong, because they can read it in the Bible. Because he paid, means he have authorities above the Bible and any others believing. He has sent me his believing and call mine false. Why don't he go in mine? end-times-prophecy.org 

This is my belief. BIBLICAL. 

One thing more, he is done with church and he wants everybody be done with church or he will banner you. This forum is against God. 

The remnant church is something that many Christians don't think about, because most professing Christians trust that their belief alone in Jesus makes them part of the true church of God, whether or not they are truly walking with the Lord. But is this right, or does God have a true remnant people during these end times? 

Who is the remnant church talked about in the Bible? Throughout His Word, God has declared that He would keep a people who would obey Him and not wander from His truth. Take a look at the following verses: Isaiah 1:9, 10:20. Jeremiah 23:3, 31:7. Joel 2:32. Romans 9:27.

Please don't think that by saying "Israel", that the Bible just means the literal nation of Israel. Because the literal nation of Israel are no longer God's chosen people. Christians have now taken on the name Israel in a spiritual sense. Did you catch what Paul said above in Romans? Even though the number of the children of Israel is as the sand of the sea, in other words, a HUGE number, only a remnant means - a small amount left. This applies to the Christian world today. Although there are millions upon millions of professing Christians, only a few in comparison will actually be saved. Now that may shock you, I don't know, but it's the truth. Jesus confirmed in Matthew 7:14.... Only a Few will walk down the narrow path. There are so many proffesing Christians who are walking down the broad path to destruction. Because they believe they can have Jesus in one hand and the world in the other hand. But to be a part of the true remnant church we need to surrender ALL to Christ. 

There is a remnant people in these end times who satan is making war with. And what makes them stand out to satan as the true remnant church of God? Revelation 12:17.... So they are a Commandments keeping people  (including the seventh day Bible Sabbath) and they also have the testimony of Jesus. But what is the testimony of Jesus? Revelation 19:10.... So the true remnant church of God obey Him and keep His Commandments, and they have the spirit of prophecy. In other words, they have a special understanding of the Bible prophecy. 

And when you have a remnant piece of material, how does it compare to the ORIGINAL? It is exactly to the same right? So the end time remnant people will be living their faith in the exact same way as the New Testament church. They "look" the same. 

With these things in mind, let's look at the other signs that tell us who the true remnant church is. 

5 hours ago, thormas said:

I'm not debating but, just for the record, what is irrelevant to me is not the Bible but your interpretation of the Bible and Revelations.

As for Jesus: have him, never lost him, don't need a literalist interpretation of him.

 

I know that  you cannot answer anybody questions. I want you to teach me. What mean a woman in symbolic language in the Bible? What is an Archangel? What means water?  My brother your problem is because you don't know, and you want nobody also to know. I'm not here by my own. God has send me here,specially for those that are for many years really want to know in what time we are living. Go read Matthew 24. It is exactly what that you are doing. Can you preach the Three Angels Messages? I think NOT!! Don't you know that it is a warning message for salvation of our soul?  Do you know what is written in 2 Thimoty 3:10-15 verse 13 is for you my friend. You are fighting against God, not the true Christians. Ephesians 6:10-17. Do you have the ARMOUR OF GOD? I'm think NOT, otherwise now you are helping us helping saving life for Christ. Just the way that He have command  us. 

Are you alone? 

Feel guilty, feel lonely, here I am. Let's talk for tomorrow if it is God will. 

1 hour ago, thormas said:

 

I have no questions for you P.

I have spent years studying the Bible: simply because I don't look to Revelations for prophecy does not mean I have never studied it or that I don't understand it.

 

Why then debates on somthing that is irrelevant to you? Talking about something that you don't have interested anymore. I call this a wasting of time speaking about somthing that doesn't and cannot make you happy. I have the real Jesus for you bro. 

4 hours ago, thormas said:

Well P, we are at the end of the road.

I have asked questions and now you direct me to an 'end-time-prophecy' site. I see your belief but it is not one I share nor one I am interested in exploring.

I have no interest. What you're presenting is a direct opposite of my understanding of God, how God 'works' and the meaning of revelation and prophecy.

I have never looked to the book of Revelations for prophetic wisdom. I don't read it as prophecy but as commentary on its time now long past.

4 hours ago, thormas said:

Well P, we are at the end of the road.

I have asked questions and now you direct me to an 'end-time-prophecy' site. I see your belief but it is not one I share nor one I am interested in exploring.

I have no interest. What you're presenting is a direct opposite of my understanding of God, how God 'works' and the meaning of revelation and prophecy.

I have never looked to the book of Revelations for prophetic wisdom. I don't read it as prophecy but as commentary on its time now long past.

 

 

 

Okay, how can I answered your questions and you don't interest what is the meaning of the book of Revelation. It is impossible for you to understand without an open mind the book of Revelation. It is full with symbolic languages. That's why you cannot undestand and give up living for God. You will never come to an understanding because you are not interested. This is not a progressive Christians. Just let an other person that really have interested in what time we living in.

 

16 hours ago, PaulS said:

As this thread is FireDragon76's thread about changing views on church and spirituality, please start a new thread if you would like to know more about Piripi's background and sharing yours, as it is not in context with this thread.  Much appreciated in advance.

Piriripi,as you are new here, please understand that we try to keep threads roughly on track with the theme they start with rather than digress into other messages and lines of discussion.  Please also consider starting another thread if you wish to convey other messages that are a different subject matter to the intent of the thread.  Thanks also, in advance.

Paul

(As Administrator)

Thanks Paul.

9 hours ago, thormas said:

I like your example P.

However given your example I am the actual witness and you never saw the accident but only the aftermath so you would have to include in your version that you did not see the accident and you only have partial and very limited information.

Now, if one of us said it was a car and in reality it was a motorcycle, there is a right and wrong. If one of us said it was 8 people in the car and it was a couple on a motorcycle, one of us is wrong. If one of us traces the line of Jesus through Joesph to establish his credentials as a 'son of David' or from the house of David and the other does it through Mary, we can't both be right. And if Joesph is not the natural father of Jesus why would anyone bother to trace that lineage to David for Jesus would not be a blood relative? Plus where did they get their information? Couldn't be Jesus because he would know and tell the same story to both and it couldn't be God the Father because he too would know and only speaks the truth - so the stories in both case would have to be the same since they got the information from the same source.

In your example, both are not right and one has only limited information.

 

Now, we don't know for sure if Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were the actual authors and it is questionable if one of them actually heard Jesus. As an example, was Matthew the disciple? Was Luke the secretary to Paul - Paul who never met the historical Jesus? Was John writing in 90-100 CE alive to have heard Jesus 70 years ago? Possibly but was the John of the Gospel the beloved disciple?

 

Thanks P

 

My brother for you to better know me is to see my belief. end-times-prophecy.org

Okay, I'm gonna used this cine for you my brother. Sorry for my English. Put yourself in this picture.

There was a car accident that had occurred right in your face. You have seen exactly how it has happend. You have seen someone flying out the car. I was in the living room and I have heard the squelching of the tires, then I have heard the noise of the crash. When I saw the accident I saw some one in the street. 

Now there is a third person who was far away he heard but don't see nothing how it have occurred. He ask me what happens and I told him my version. An other person that don't heard and have seen nothing was passing by and ask you what has happened? You tell this person exactly how it has happend.  That person go to the. News paper and write your story. The one that has talk to me are going to the radio and tell exactly how I tell him.

So, both is right they have tell what they have heard what (me and you) have tell.

Let's go to the Bible. Matthew, Mark, and John was living with Jesus they have heard all that Jesus has told them. Sometimes Jesus was only with one of them or two teaching them. Luke is not an Apostle of Jesus. Luke is a doctor and he have investigated that all what they say about Jesus is right. He was in the service of the king. He has wrote the book of Acts. Why he is in the Bible, His conclusion is that all he heard and see is true. And he became one of them.

I hope that you have understand. Don't follow who has wrote or not. If it was against our Mighty God, we cannot find it in the Bible like many others that they have found after the Bible was completed. WHAT WE HAVE IS ENOUGH FOR OUR SALVATION. 

Let me hear from you. I answer all qustions Biblical.