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Keith Kelly

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  1. With the decline of the church, especially in industrialized countries, churches are increasingly used more and more for baptisms, weddings and funerals. Buddhism, on the other hand, has increased in the United States by 200% from 1990 to 2000 and another 200% from 2000 to 2010. People are searching for meaningful modalities of understanding spirituality and Christianity is but one alternative. The older models of the fall, saved by grace and Christ's death and the coming of the Kingdom are hardly understandable in modern terms, starting with understandings that developed during the Enlight
  2. United Methodist. Have volunteered in the past to be sure. Attend weekly plus on religions holidays. The Methodist Church I attend is fairly open to comments that are progressive and are not offendedn that I know of regarding a person's beliefs, however most attendees themselves it seems are adherents of a theistic theology and would see the scriptures more as divinely inspired and containing accounts of happenings instead of being spiritual literary works.
  3. From the earliest Christians to the modern day one hears that Jesus is divine. However the search for the meaning of Jesus, at least in modern scholarship, questions the account of the Gospels as a bibliography. Strauss, followed by Bultmann, undertook the needed task to demythologize the Gospels. Strauss denied the divinity of Jesus while Bultmann generally supported it, perhaps in some qualifying ways. Does this dymythologization or further demythologization need to find its way further into the very meaning of Jesus? One could say he is divine in the classical (orthodox) sense; one cou
  4. Well, I think what is so disappointing about this is that Spong is an intellegent fellow with a lot of very good points to make. Such mis-exegesis at times really distracts from his work. Moreover, it leaves the reader wondering just what the motivation is. Is it publicity? Pushing an agenda at the cost of overreaching and tarnishing his work. Only Spong knows this, I suppose.
  5. Spong recounts scriptures and perspectives that places St. Paul in a certain perspective--one which he supports to a degree but far from conclusively--that St. Paul was a repressed gay man. Spong goes beyond stating this as a possiblity, however, establishing the perspective and subsequently speaking as if it is established that St. Paul was gay. Spong (Reclaiming the Bible) writes: "Imagine rather the power of the realization that we Christians have received our primary definition of grace from a gay man who accepted his world's judgment and condemnation until he was embraced by the Jesu
  6. Do you hear God speak to you? It this an outdated theistic view of religion, rooted in tradition or primordial thinking, or is it real? If God speaks directly to believers, why do believers hear different things? Many in the church pray and hear the voice of God or the Spirit. Is this consistent with Progressive Christianity?
  7. I have not studied dreams academically. It seems my dreams can usually be interpreted and the symbols or events within them directly relate to my life. Mine are highly symbolic, either in the actions or symbols in them. Sometimes I don't know what to make of them and sometimes I don't know if they really mean anything. The ones that make sense sometimes require some figuring out and usually point to something that takes up my time and thoughts during the day or over a period of time. A large anaconda that was lying around living quarters, being a menace and needing to be removed but nonet
  8. When is the last time you read the book of Revelation? Is it worth it? It seems fairly muddled to me and I don't see much value in it myself. Is there any value to it, apart from an historical or literary review of apocalyptic literature, i.e. if one happens to be interested in such literature? This is an interesting link on the book: http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/31/four-big-myths-about-the-book-of-revelation/
  9. The concept of Jesus dying for the sins of the world is indeed quite strange. It is as if God were offended by the sins of humankind and thereupon sent another manifestation of the diety to suffer even further insult to clear the original offense. This logic is seen in many religions whereby adherents hold to a theory that a sacrifice of their possessions or other people to appease the God or gods and "earn" good favor from them. This logic is quite puzzling to the modern mind where cause-and-effect is not related to sacrificial offerings. There is punishment for offenses of crimes, and so
  10. Apostle's and Nicene Creed, or occasionally other such as Korean Methodist creed or creed of United Church of Canada, is recited every Sunday in the traditional worship service, but not the contemporary, at my church. I prefer the traditional worship service, however. As for "Onward Christian Soldiers" it is in the Methodist hymnal, however I cannot ever recall it being sang over the years. There was a big deal over it when it was about to be excluded from the hymnal in the early 1980s and supporters successfully lobbied to include it. There are many other songs that are athwart progressiv
  11. And I suppose that it will not be up to us, as progressives, to solely influence the liturgy. But--what does the group think here that is worthy and appropriate for liturgical worship? I suppose a vote could be held as in the Jesus Seminar--like a black bead for excluding a passage or a piece, a red bead for including it as it, a yellow bead indicating inclusion, but needs reworked, and a gray bead for "needs further study." Some of these things---passages, hymns, or other pieces--as noted, can have double meanings. Religion is heavily about telling stories to bring meaning to life instead
  12. Janell above states: "Of course, some are so far from where we are today, there is no "rescuing" them with merely a few minor changes of words. But keeping in mind, just as we were influenced as children by what we heard, so will children today hearing whatever it is being presented to them...it may seem new and foreign to us 'older folks', but it will become the foundation for what moves these children today, in their adult years." This is so true. As I did some laundry today I pointed out the little pocket above the bigger right pocket on my daughter's fashionable jeans and asked "do you
  13. This is Keith. I have been ill for the past few days with a seasonal illness. Nothing serious, but quite draining. I see that others share some of my sentiments regarding traditional liturgy. The quandary of it all is that while it is historic and in fact some of it is downright beautiful, it does not fit in with what many Christians understand in the modern (since the mid 1700s?) era. Some of it may be amended or adapted, but frequently it is not. There are a number of folks in church who for some reason get quite a bit of comfort not only in the historical liturgy, but the historical (
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