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6 hours ago, PaulS said:

I really can't fathom why anybody is supporting Trump's management of the coronavirus following his most recent statements.  Apart from his lying to the American people, now he is saying that herd immunity (although he said herd 'mentality') will see the coronavirus go away.  Do Americans realize that for herd immunity to even work (if it does) that it requires something like 75% of the population getting infected (i.e. about 246,000,000 people infected).  If only 1% of those infected die (and remember Trump acknowledged that the virus will kill something like 5% of infectees) then Trump is expecting nothing less than 2,460,000 (1%) to 12,300,000 (5%) US citizens to die.  Am I missing something?  How many deaths do Trump supporter's think is acceptable for herd immunity to work?  Does trump actually have a number in mind for herd immunity to kick in?  I am just gobsmacked that anybody thinks this is acceptable.  Have any Trump supporters actually thought this through?

Neither can I, neither can many other Americans - it is beyond baffling.

I think herd immunity is a term thrown around with little understanding. 

And recently trumpster said that if we discount the 'blue' states the deaths from the virus are not as bad - as if those Americans are not citizens of the same country or not worthy of consideration. 

If this clown is re-elected, as many have said, we fear for the future of the USA. 

OMG, Caputo said he is unhealthy, including mentally and started talking about shadows in his apartment. He then announced his leave of absence.

And this is a spokesman selected by the trumpster himself. The trumpster is really expanding and filling the swamp with some interesting individuals.

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

I don't know what you mean with 21st C people. 

People living in the 21st Century...................like now in 2020.

I suspect your end-time site does not resonate with most people living today.

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

Sorry my friend, you don't understand the scriptures. You are just following men teaching. 

There that judgment again - It 'appears' that you have missed or simply ignored that teaching of Jesus.

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

Do you love the Sabbath? Yes? Why don't you keep it? 

Actually I love God.

Not sure why you harp on this one commandment. Does this mean you're okay with stealing, coveting your neighbor's wife or killing - since these are never mentioned?

Plus you make assumptions about people and their keeping of the commandments. Should you be judging? Oops watch out for the plank in your eye.

Finally remember it is not the one who says "Lord, Lord" but the one who does the will of the Father.............to Love.

The most important part of the Catholic mass is the ending: "Go love and serve the Lord." You have heard the Word, you have eaten at the Lord's table, now go put up or shut up - go into the world and be the Christ.

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

My friend, the question is, what is God power. 

Answer: The Holy Spirit.  But the Holy Spirit is not a third separated being the way that they have teaches you. The Holy Spirit is Jesus Christ Himself in the true Christians. 

What more question do you have?

And that has been answered............simply not by you in a way that would be helpful to today's audience.

I have no question for you since, as stated previously, you provide "no answers for 21st C people." 

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As for the Holy Spirit: as a Christian I was not taught nor do I believe the Spirit is a 3rd separate being. Not sure what you are talking about or whose teaching your are referring to. 

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

The Commandments stay till the end of the world. Matthew 5:17-18. Does this world has PASSED away?

Let me teach you. The first four commandments belongs to God. That is the FIRST. 

The six other Commandments is for humans. That is the SECOND. 

If you love God keep all the 10 Commandments. Including the forth commandment the Sabbath day of the LORD.

 

And let me teach you: the first 4 are summed up in the 1st great commandment and the remaining 6 are 'summed' up by the 2nd great commandment. And of course if one truly loves God then they love their neighbor and, conversely, if one truly loves their neighbor, then they love God. 

No one has said or suggested the commandments don't 'stay till the end of the world' - however, in truth, all the commandments are to Love.

Actually some of the commandments are stated in the negative, such as 'thou shalt not'............but the 2 great commandments put a positive spin on it: thou mayest Love.

You're welcome.

Then we have cancel the country with this guy Caputo telling people to buy bullets now to be ready for the insurrection! 

And the trumpster clown says he wants to 'negotiate' a 3rd term.

Cancel culture? The trumpster tries (yet again) to cancel science in his absurd remarks in California as California burns (most of it federal land). 

And this is they guy who refers to himself as a (stable) genius. 

I wonder if he also hired people to pass his science classes after hiring one to get him into a top notch university in the first place????

5 hours ago, Burl said:

Your not wrong.  Apologies to non/Americans, but all of the laws, statutes and municipal codes hang on the Constitution.  Not super helpful.

There is also natural law and the Noachide laws which apply to non-Jews.

Pipi has a valid interpretation.  Pointing to Jesus’ rule of thumb does not refute Jesus’ extensive and detailed quotation of Scripture or his statement that he would not remove a ‘jot or tittle’ of the written law.

Jesus did correct the Pharisee’s interpretation of keeping the Sabbath holy, but the commandment itself was never questioned.

And with respect to other faith expressions, the discussion was Christianity and Jesus. 

As to Pip - it is not helpful to continually ask others if they are obeying the 10. If the 1 commandment of Love is obeyed, all is fulfilled. And 'all' that is necessary is to wake up the next day (and all one's days) and fulfill it again and again and again. 

The full 10 were never questioned, no one said they were. However the 10 are fulfilled in the 2 ..........which is still simply the 1: Love and do what you will (for what one wills is love).

What is reminiscent of the Pharisees of old is their mis-interpretation and their use of the law to harass and judge others. 

1 hour ago, Burl said:

No, this is a tautology.  Mere semantics without explication.

Jesus summarized the 10 in the two: "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."  And both are about love, so 1.

If mere semantics or inexplicable ...............at least I'm in good company :+}

9 hours ago, Pipiripi said:

If you don't believe in God, how can you know better than a converted Christian? 

If you want to know how God works, open your heart and invite Him to come inside of you and clean the mess in your mind.

Pip, interestingly you never even try to answer questions. Seemingly, you have never considered the questions and thus have no answers for 21st C people.

And I never said I don't believe in God, I simply reject your interpretations and its limited image of God. 

God needs no invitation as he is always present and since childhood he has always been 'inside.' 

You fight a losing battle Pip: I am reminded of the Pharisees and Scribes of old - the ones Jesus corrected.

9 hours ago, Pipiripi said:

Just like you my friend. Are you keeping the 10 Commandments?

It is a new covenant with God that Jesus brings and the 10 are best understood as two and the two are one: Love. All else is mere commentary.

8 hours ago, PaulS said:

I don't think they were the options Trump was considering.  If so, it doesn't explain why he promoted faleshoods about the virus.  Saying covid was just like the flu when he knew it could kill 5% of the population instead of the less than 1% of the flu, demonstrates to me he was doing more than just trying to prevent panic.  He was actively pushing for and promoting business as usual, because he was scared a better approach to saving lives would harm the economy.  Well, he was right, it's just that it probably didn't have to harm the economy as much as his bungling of the virus has seen to.  200,000 dead in 6 months - how many could have been prevented if not for Trump's false representations about the virus.

I agree. I was pointing out the option open to him other than the actions he did take - which he now says were because he didn't want to cause panic. Lies upon lies -this is the mark of the man and his supporters allow it rather than calling him out and demanding better.

Just read the actual option that the trumpster had that went beyond 'no panic' and 'jumping up and down' - stay calm, tell the American people the truth and lead.

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And then, this question: "If you knew it (the virus) was so dangerous and transmitted by air, why did you keep holding rallies, mock people for wearing masks and nag governors to reopen businesses?"  

Just watched a clip from 'Unfit' a documentary about the trumpster's cognitive decline - scary as hell and rings true given the American experience of this guy. 

13 hours ago, PaulS said:

I'm surprised that more US citizens don't want to know 'why' Russia is just so intent on having Trump re-elected.  For a country that seems particularly concerned about communism and socialism, voters seem pretty relaxed concerning Russian support for Trump being president.  So relaxed in fact that they don't mind Russians interfering in their elections.

Great point, why aren't his supporters more curious and skeptical about this issue. And look what this guy has done about intelligence briefing to Congress about this specific issue. Something to hide? 

One would think that 'Republicans' would be all over any Russian (or any) interference in the past, the present and in our upcoming election. But nothing from them. And they seeming also support his efforts to suppress the vote even though there is no evidence of any widespread or concerning voter fraud. Where are the Republicans?

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

You didn't read or pray before you have read it. And they have also an email address. Everybody that has do exactly what they say has seen the truth. Because all they say is exactly what the Bible says.

I'm open of all understanding. Give me a question answer see if I cannot answer it BIBLICAL, and then I ask you a question and see that you can answered me BIBLICAL. 

You didn't read before you read it? Say what??

1 hour ago, Pipiripi said:

The Holy Spirit is God's POWER, not only in this world but the whole universe. 

That explains nothing to a 21st C audience. What do you mean by the Spirit, what do you mane by Power, how does such Power work and is there really any such Power in the face of the natural and manmade evil in the world? Have you even or ever considered the question of evil? Have you ever tried to explain 'how' God works in the world? 

What is amazing is that the trumpeter suggested the only options before him were to lie (to avoid a panic??) or jump up and down and say we're all going to die. However, the real option, that taken by other presidents and Churchill, was to be honest with the people and..........lead. If he led, our situation would be drastically different. But that was not to be: the chickens came home to roost and the man revealed who he always was.

Sadly for us, even more sad for the nearly 200k dead Americans (and those yet to die), is that this guy is incapable of true leadership.

13 hours ago, PaulS said:

I think God must've been blindfolded and wearing earmuffs in 2016!

I don't believe Trump's excuse for lying about the severity of the coronavirus as though it really was about preventing panic - I think it is more likely he wanted to keep the economy open, irrespective of the damage coronavirus would do, as that is his main focus for re-election.  It was a gamble and he lost, as did many of the 200,000 dead.  I mean how many of those dead and their families and neighbours trusted the President when he said it would just 'go away' and wasn't any more harmful than the seasonal flu!

Either that or the people who 'worship' God, heard him wrong and voted for the least among us :+}

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I agree that the trumpster is lying about lying about the virus..............to keep the economy (not even his economy but largely a holdover from Obama) going, at least the stock market. 

One woman who lost her father, said his only underlying condition was that he believed in the trumpster. That is an underlying condition that far too many people still have. 

On 8/28/2020 at 3:53 PM, JosephM said:

I think some may find this video from 1968 which to me applies to whats happening  today quite interesting really...

Sourced from government archive.

It would be instructive if the trumpster listened not only about not blaming black people but how devious the Communists (Russia) is, especially his idol, Putin. Then again, the trumpeter depends on Russian interference.

Although the guy in the video is way off base about poverty, education, blaming the police, etc. Time for an update if still alive. 

3 hours ago, PaulS said:

I'd have to say, if Trump wasn't going to lose the election before his interviews with Woodward were released, he is now.  Sportsbet are still only paying $1.80 for Biden at this moment (Trumps has started to fade, now going to $2) but I'm getting on Biden as it is easy money - Trump has lost the 2020 election.  I'm happy to call it right now.  There's no coming back for Trump with his lying about coronavirus,  He's gone.

From your lips to God's ear :+}

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What really struck me was the excuse, now being presented by his minions, that the trumpster wanted to avoid a panic. Given that rationale the president, at the time, should have prevented us from learning the entire truth about Pearl Harbor. 911 and a whole host of other issues.......to keep the American people from panicking.  

But we don't have a president to keep us from panicking. We have a president to deal with issues: to lead when a crisis hits, to lead so that the people have the necessary knowledge and tools to deal with a crisis. Again this trumpster makes decisions with a view to himself, to his chances for re-election and sidestepping anything that could endanger that. 

Amazing that he lied to the people and still some of those people support him. Amazing that he disparages the service and sacrifice of soldiers and still some people support him. 

I do get a kick out of it when the trumpster states that someone (in this case Harris) is not competent - he is the poster boy for incompetence.

Now they mock Biden going to honor his son, also a soldier, at the cemetery. They have no honor and the trumpster is their leader. Tragic!