Regressive-Traditionalist

3 minutes ago, PaulS said:

Seems a bit dramatic.  I see nihilism defined as "the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy".

Now, I don't think because every single person cannot agree on every single point that they are nihilists.  Sometimes we just have to agree to disagree, precisely because there is no final word on the matter.  Both are right, and both are wrong, it's just perspective.  That doesn't mean one or the other won't fight to have their perspective recognized, but that's what I see as part and parcel of our evolution.  Will we ever overcome disagreements, our alternate views - who knows.

You're ascribing your own projection of nihilism on to the nihilist. There is nothing necessarily negative in Nihilism, only the abandoning of meaning and accepting the is. Not ascribing good or evil to it. 

In that way you don't seem so far off from Nihilism.

3 minutes ago, romansh said:

Here I might agree with you, but are you suggesting all our descriptions of reality like nihilism and Christianity are equally accurate?

This does not make sense bearing in mind you  had just earlier said

So what forms of government is democracy worse than?

I would say my description of nihilism is accurate. As is my description of Historic Christianity and Progressive Christianity. 

Also not under the obligation to provide you a list. If you want to praise Democracy go ahead.

5 minutes ago, romansh said:

Better than some forms of Christianity?

I am presuming you are from the US? If so, you should try it before you knock it.

What forms of government are you suggesting?

Nihilism is neither better or worse than any form of Christianity. It simply is. Nothing is truly good or truly bad.

I'm not suggesting any form of government. Only that Winston was wrong. 

4 minutes ago, PaulS said:

Yes, indeed.  I guess that's another question - what is 'right'?  As we see from our experiences, what different people think is 'right' is often different.  Who is the final arbitrator?  To me, it seems there is no 'final word' and we just muddle through it best we can.  Of course some may say 'God', but that's really just another version of 'right'.

I'm reminded of Winston Churchill's quote: "No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time."

Well if there is no final word then there is only nihilism. Also Churchill was wrong on Democracy. It is the worst form of government when compared to most of the others. 

Nothing makes the democratic view right. Democratic just means majority decides.