Good discussion.  Again, your belief and that of my friend is respected yet still, for me, Sisyphus lingers. And I get the idea of "I have lived, been involved....." yet, again for me, in this perspective, all living, all contribution, all involvement is meaningless: the rock is still where it was in the beginning; the top is reached and then down the other side. For me, it is without meaning (and thus sad) but not for you, not for my friend. And, that is a good thing.   Again, this is