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  1. Jesus and what He stands for will always exist in the hearts of those who 'know' Him. He will always exist in those who know the freedom that comes from living according to His teachings. Love certainly exists; Jesus epitomized love, He epitomized what it means to love not only God, but our neighbors as ourselves. Whether He existed historically makes little difference to me, as in the end, it isn't the man we honor, but that which the man stood for. James
  2. Mindy, I think most of us at some point in life ask the very same question. "Why!" I'll quote something I wrote about this to you. Not that it provides an answer, but just to let you know that you are not alone. My question was less about sickness, and more about the violence we face in our world. Take heart, Mindy ... You are not alone with your question. "It's amazing how a single event can change one's perspective on God, and life, and the reason evil exists. Up until tonight I thought that evil actually served a purpose for mankind. I thought that it helped us grow, and learn, and further develop as individuals and as a species. I now realize that some evils serve no purpose at all, but rather hinder our overall growth as a peoples. Why then does God allow evil to exist, and even more so - How can a loving God allow us to be subject to it. Does He not care, or is He just not as involved with the world as some may think? I realize that God is not the one committing such acts himself. I realize that He has allowed us certain freedoms. What I don't understand is why? WHY? It seems that Christ Himself asked the very same question when He cried out with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” It looks like we are responsible for ourselves, for others, and for the world we live in. It looks like WE need to take action against those who would force their will upon our own. Are we to just sit back and do NOTHING, or are we to get involved? What does God expect a 114 lb woman to do against a 260 lb raging bull of a man who is raping an innocent, disabled, and mentally challenged boy? Is that where sacrifice comes in? To lay down our own lives for another? Who could muster up such courage to face the possibility of being beaten nearly to death, killed, or being raped themselves? That 114 lb woman would have to kill the man in order to save the boy AND herself if she were to get involved. What good could possibly come of her getting involved without a means to protect herself and the boy? Where was God in this scenario? --------------------------------------- Well, I've been sitting here thinking and praying for the better part of four hours about my current dilemma. I've been thinking about how evil (Calamity) has challenged my views about God. How can God be love as stated in 1 John 4:1-21, and still allow evil to be present in our world? I've come to the conclusion that He is simply giving us a chance to come to Him and to turn from our self serving ways. Perhaps He does have hope for us after all. Perhaps He is letting us live in this evil world in hope that we will come to the understanding of how we can help change it. It seems to me that if I focus my efforts on the root cause of evil (Which is the absence of love) my efforts will produce more fruit in the end. At the same time, I am not just sitting by doing nothing when calamity befalls me or another. To love isn't a call to just love others in heart, but it is a call to take action also." Take care, Mindy and I hope you find the peace and answers you desire... James
  3. Just a couple thoughts on where this thread has taken us .... It seems that many of us often times get so caught up on doctrine and traditions that we lose sight of what is most important. Jesus said that He was the light of the world. As I read scripture and learn more about Him, I understand more and more about what He meant about being the light. He healed the sick, befriended the the needy and led them to liberty; He gave sight to the blind and even brought the dead back to life. His miracles were reflections of what we ourselves can and will do. We can help heal the wounded in heart through care and compassion; we can help lead those who are bound by vice to understand the liberty in virtue. We can help give vision to those who have none, and we can help put life back in those who have lost the will to live ... By acting on our love, care, and concern for those we share our world with, lives will change. To quote a couple of my favorite biblical verses .... Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matt 5:14-16 (KJV) God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith Gal 6:7-10 (KJV) Like Jesus, we too are to be lights of the world. I think we get so bogged down with our belief systems that we fail to be that which we were called to become.... James
  4. The defined goal of Project J.E.S.U.S is simple .... To help make a difference in the lives of others. For now, the group is for basic discussion and meant to be used to encourage our members. We are not solely a Christian group, but Christian principles, which are shared among other world religions are common theme. We should never take our blessings for granted, nor should we ever withhold from others what we ourselves are able to share. If all we are able to offer is a warm smile, a shoulder to cry on, a bit of laughter, or ongoing encouragement, it is enough to make a difference. If you are interested in Project J.E.S.U.S (Justice, Equality, Service, Unity, Strength) please join us and help us help others be the change we want to see in the world. Project J.E.S.U.S Facebook page Thanks,
  5. I've been seeking for many years, and I will continue to seek further understanding as long as there is understanding to gain. Ultimately, I see God as love, Kyler. BUT, I also see Him in all things, and I believe that all things existing are a [part] of Him. I'm somewhat a Panentheist I suppose. [God is all that exists. "I am", "All in all", or “All things“] GK

    The Cost?

    I think the cost requires our very lives. It requires us to bury the old man, and to be recreated in the likeness of Christ. It requires a genuine care and concern for those we share our world with. It requires that we not only love others in heart, but that we show that love by our actions. We don't have to quit our jobs to do this, but I think we DO need to realize that life isn't just about "Me", but also those we share this world with. It means we need to reach out and help to make a difference (a very real and positive difference) in the lives of others. That is our duty as disciples, but it 'should' also be our honor to further His vision for the human race. (to love others as we love ourselves). This is not an idle command, nor should it be stale, but rather a very real and daily part of our existence ... to simply help those who need help. Love is action. What good is love if it is not shown? GK
  7. Mike, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page ... According to Greek terminology, Logo's means "Divine Expression", or perhaps more appropriately - God’s divine Wisdom, and power. According to Proverbs 8 and according to John 1, this wisdom and power was in the beginning with God, and [was] God. Christ declared this Wisdom and power during His ministry, meaning He revealed it to us. He revealed to us the Father that dwelt [in] Him. Wisdom was [clearly] in the beginning with God (According to Proverbs 8 and John 1) but wisdom is not something [separate] from God. It might be said to be God’s substance, reality, essence, and perhaps even the metaphorical [fountain] from which all things derive. Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth [came] by Jesus Christ. Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. John is telling us that Grace and truth came to us by Jesus, and that no man has seen the Father at any time. But, Jesus [His only begotten son] has revealed Him to us. He declared to us God’s wisdom, and power, which was clearly demonstrated throughout His ministry. Christ was not the [literal] Word, but rather the “Word” was made to manifest in Him. (It was made evident) Christ was conceived by the Spirit, begotten by God, and born of Mary. He was filled with the Spirit through which all truth emanates. He was filled with God’s wisdom. Christ was the appointed vessel, and light that enlightens every man that comes into the world. God expressed, conveyed, and made known to us His "Word" [through] Him, which is the love, wisdom, and divine expression of our Creator. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. Jesus was full of grace and truth. To be full of something implies to have an abundance of or for something to be present and very noticeable, or even as a container filled with substance. Much like a pen being filled with ink, Christ was filled with the Word of God. He was filled with God’s Love, power, and Wisdom. Jesus was the Word personified - He was the instrument by which the "Word" was manifest (Revealed.) So, it isn't the name itself that we are to believe in, but rather God's divine expression, or rather that which Jesus revealed to us. We are to believe in the power of God's Logos, which is the love, wisdom and divine expression of our Creator. [iMHO] DHAWLIA (GK)
  8. I myself think the most important aspect of Jesus was/is His excellence of character and what He stood for. Jesus was able to live a perfect life of love - if what we know about Him is true. Whether He was a mere teacher, or whether He was God Himself (As many believe) He allowed Himself to be beaten, and scourged, and then nailed to a cross not only to display His great love for us, but it was also a testimony to His own excellence. He certainly could have resisted every step of the way, no? Instead, He chose to submit to our cruelty and to ask the Father to forgive us even amidst His suffering. I suggest you simply take it slow, and learn as much about the man as possible. One day you will come to adopt a view that resonates within yourself. You can always further your understanding and strengthen your own character, even without having a solid view of who Jesus was. I wish you understanding and wisdom, and above these a heart to serve your fellow man. Blessings, GK
  9. My view is that to believe in the name of Gods only begotten is to believe in the character of Jesus and/or what He stood for NOT His literal name (Or person). Jesus lived a perfect life of love, and that IS His character AND excellence. A name is nothing more than how we identify an individual, but we actually come to know them by their character and what they stand for, no? Those who believe in Jesus' name are those whom believe in the character He was known for and the excellence thereof [Love]. (IMHO) What is light if not love, and what is darkness if not the absence of. We are a selfish and cruel species. Very few value love (The light of life) as we ought. Most would rather live in darkness, which is evidenced by our evil deeds. onoma (Name) Is used for everything which the name covers, everything the thought or feeling of which is aroused in the mind by mentioning, hearing, remembering, the name, i.e. for one's rank, authority, interests, pleasure, command, excellences, deeds etc. John 3:16-19 DHAWLIA aka GK
  10. Darkness Has Authority Where Love Is Absent

  11. I'm pretty sure I've been here before (a couple years back). I remember the 8 points. I've been posting a great deal on another message board, but the toxicity of the posts there have got me looking for a place where one is free to go against fundamentalist thought without being hammered with accusations of being a heretic, and then damned to hell by them. Oh yeah, I've been wished a speedy journey there before by those who call themselves Christian. (Not Uncommon) My views are a mixing pot made up of several differing schools of thought. I come from a very strict Christadelphian background, however. I still attend their services from time to time, and have learned many things by doing so, but I cannot in a good conscience call myself a Christadelphian. My views are ever growing and developing into something much more substantial and real (to me). I suppose if I had to label myself, I'd say that I am a follower of Christ - Not a Christian. At least this way people know when they speak to me that my views are NOT mainstream Christianity. It becomes more and more evident that this is the case the more I speak about what I believe. I believe in the resurrected Jesus, I believe He was crucified on the cross, but what that means to me is quite different than what it means to most Christians. I do not believe that Jesus was God, or even a god, but rather a man born of God. Yes, I do believe that He was Gods son, conceived by the Holy spirit, which makes Him more than a man, but less than a god in my mind. So ... am I a progressive Christian. The 8 points suggest as much, but I'm probably a bit more conservative (Or not?) than are most. I certainly view the bible to be the inspired word of God, but not THE Word of God - In it are some errors [iMO]. Things such as God demanding a blood sacrifice to appease His anger, and ordering the slaughter of entire peoples (Genocide)do not stomach well with me. I think it was written by primitive peoples who honestly thought they were doing God's will by slaughtering animals, and killing the "wicked". Even so, we still see this phenomena today with terrorism,and even in a not so distant yesterday with the inquisition, etc. No, God is a God of love and where love is absent, darkness has authority. Christ showed us the way, the true, and the life - He was/is the way, the truth, and the life. I am honored to follow Him, and grateful for what He did for each of us. DHAWLIA ==>> Darkness Has Authority Where Love Is Absent
  12. Hey, spiritseeker. All I can do is offer my personal view of Jesus, what He did, and what He means to me. This will be a large post, as my views need a bit of explanation to be properly conveyed. In short, Jesus is the one who has offered me life. Not just eternal, but a very real quickening in this life as well (At least in heart). I was challenged with a question the other day about God being just when it came to "punishing" an innocent man, and letting the guilty off the hook. It made me dig deep into my personal beliefs, so I wrote down my view of Christ and what He did for us, and how we are "saved" by Him. I'll try to explain exactly where I'm coming from in the following text. "God created all things, just as He knows the beginning from the end. It is true that all things in life are part of Gods plan, but that doesn't mean that ALL things are willed by God directly. Since we as humans have a will of our own (Part of Gods plan) He has afforded us certain freedoms, such as living life on our terms. The problem with living life on our terms is that we are quite selfish, and can be very cruel to those we share our world with. Jesus comes into play in that God sent Him to show us the way, the truth, and the life. God sent Jesus to not only show us how to live, but to also defeat sin, and to defeat death itself (Which He did). He was NOT punished by God, as He was guiltless, but Jesus did bear our sins in that we scourged Him and nailed Him to the cross. He "payed" for our sins on the cross only in that He suffered because of our sins/actions (This is my current understanding). God didn't punish Him, but rather He allowed Jesus to be subject to our cruelty. He did so, that Jesus would be made perfect through suffering, never giving in, and never resisting Gods perfect law, which is love. Surely, being Gods son, He could have tapped in to a power that could have prevented Him from being tortured as He was, and from dying after several hours of agony on the cross. But Jesus chose the high road. He chose to submit to Gods perfect law of love. He remained obedient to God's perfect law even amidst such suffering and cruelty. It was a display of His great love for us - "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." Who are His friends? Those who would love others as He loved us - To have a love so strong for our fellow man that we would die for them. Which is exactly what we are called to do. We are to bury the old man, and be reborn in the Spirit. God didn't punish Jesus at all. We (Mankind) forced our cruelty on Him, whereby He suffered due to our wickedness. God may have known this would happen, but it wasn't Him who did it - We did. It was God's will inasmuch as He knew that in order for us to get back to good, Jesus (His Son) had to live that perfect life of love, and defeat sin and death, which in turn made a way for all men to be reconciled to the Father. God knew that Christ would be beaten, bruised, and crushed by our hands, yet it pleased God that His son was willing to go through such pain, living a perfect life of love (despite), so that all man might come to know life in Him, and be reconciled back to our Creator. I call this divine justice (Just for the Unjust). The wages of sin are death. Just as Adam sinned, and we all experience the effects of his sin (Mortality) we each also experience the effects of the sins of others."For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive". We are in Adam in as much as we are born of Adam, "Born of flesh". We are in Christ in as much as we are reborn in Christ, “Born of Spirit”. (That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit). Just as we Inherited death through being born of Adam (Flesh), we inherit life through being reborn in Christ (Spirit). Christ became a life giving Spirit because of the perfect life of love that He lived. We have access to His Spirit, which in turn gives us life. Without this Spirit we are in what some might call a metaphorical grave, and we will remain there until we allow ourselves to be made new creatures in Christ/His Spirit. The atonement is in God's willingness to allow Jesus to do what He did for us, and in Jesus' willingness to suffer as He did and die by our hands, so that He might bring us to God, and in our willingness to walk in the Spirit that Christ now gives us access to. 18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18 (KJV) What it comes down to is that the wages of sin are death, and that Christ did something no other could do, which is live a perfect life of obedience. By doing so, He was able to defeat death for us, and now - Just as all die because of Adams sins - All whom are reborn in the Spirit will live because of Christs perfect life. The Spirit gives life; the Lord (Jesus) is that Spirit. (We live in Him and through Him)." DHAWLIA aka GK (GateKeeper)
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