PaulS Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, Burl said: You call me an ignorant pretender who is lacking in integrity? I merely stated my own beliefs and opinions, and only at your multiple and insistent requests. You push and push for my thoughts on matters I clearly stated I consider trivial, and then you insult me for answering? Take a hike. I know not being face to face hampers communication but I am genuinely trying hard to ask you these questions without you becoming offended. What I am genuinely asking is that is it not ignorance to say something is wrong whilst simultaneously acknowledging you don't really know that much about it because it is not of interest to you? I am not trying to insult you but to delve into the discussion. You made it clear that you believe there is no evidence to support natural selection. When presented with the evidence you dismiss it outright, only later to claim the subject doesn't particularly interest you. You seem to want to have it both ways - that is why I am trying to better understand where you are coming from. Sorry you feel offended for being challenged, but I am trying to genuinely get answers in our discussions from you. This is a thread about the deception of evolution and you made claims that are unsupported by science, but when challenged about your claims you then claim disinterest in the subject matter. I am merely pointing out how odd that behavior seems to me and am hoping you could maturely discuss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 2 hours ago, Burl said: Take a hike. Burl, I thank you for answering my initial questions. I did want to pursue a discussion but found your answering frustrating. That is my issue though and sorry to have caused you offence. I wasn't trying to offend you but rather point out how I didn't see your answers making sense against what you were claiming. I used the words pretending and ignorance in what I thought was the correct context, questioning if these were traits you were displaying, not trying to say that is what you are. I did not mean to accuse you of being a pretender or ignorant. No need to participate here any further with me. I understand. Peace and goodwill. Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted February 25, 2020 Author Share Posted February 25, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 10:10 PM, PaulS said: Pipripi, I only have so much time in my day and if I spent an hour on every book, film clip, movie etc that somebody asked me to spend time on because it supports their argument, I would literally have no time left even to feed myself. I have read several reviews of this YouTube production and find it not of particular interest. https://thehumanist.com/arts_entertainment/film/film-review-atheist-delusion Cheers Paul Okay, then we don't have much to say my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephM Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 On 2/23/2020 at 8:56 PM, Pipiripi said: My brother, do you think that God cannot tell you to write down, what He is going to tell you what will happen in the future? What about Daniel? John the revelator (Revelation)? And many more, and also in different period of times. One more question: Are you sure that your birthday is real? I have born on 11-11-1961. I'm sure of my birthday. Pipiripi, Which book or books did God tell people to write down? The Old Testament, The New Testament (which version or translation is most accurate KJV, ASV, AB, ESV, NAS, etc ), The Pauli Cannon, The Bhagavad Gita, The Dao de Jing, The Vedas, The Quran, The Book of Shadows, etc.. Each religion claims its own sacred book and believes it is truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 16 hours ago, JosephM said: Pipiripi, Which book or books did God tell people to write down? The Old Testament, The New Testament (which version or translation is most accurate KJV, ASV, AB, ESV, NAS, etc ), The Pauli Cannon, The Bhagavad Gita, The Dao de Jing, The Vedas, The Quran, The Book of Shadows, etc.. Each religion claims its own sacred book and believes it is truth. Joseph My friend the BIBLE. Believe what is written in the Bible and follow Jesus. Ask yourself why till today all sick people are still healing in the name of Jesus. If there was magician in the time before Jesus in the Bible and till today they are doing magic, why is it difficult to trust God? I have a question for you: How old are you? But used an Atheist calendar to show me your age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romansh Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 I likely have posted this before … it is Blackmore talking about the process of evolution as applied to things other than biology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 On 2/27/2020 at 1:45 PM, romansh said: I likely have posted this before … it is Blackmore talking about the process of evolution as applied to things other than biology. Hi! Take a look and answered the questions by yourself. The Atheist Delusion Movie. Look in YouTube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thormas Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Pipiripi said: For the Christian to suggest there is 'proof' or 'evidence' that there is a God misses the point. One cannot provide evidence for (or against) that which is, by definition, beyond evidence. Even the question, "do you believe in the existence of God" misses the point: God doesn't exist (like all that is exists). Actually it is probably more accurate to say that God does not exist or, as some of the ancients said, God is nothing. Even the narrator's example of the book is misleading as he takes it as if the entire finished product drops from the sky or nowhere. That is not the case with the book or with, for example, the universe or the earth. In all cases there is a process and the finished book comes into existence from the participation and contribution of many in this process. So too, evolution is the process through which the present earth (the complete book) as we know it, came into existence. Edited April 8, 2020 by thormas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephM Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 On 2/26/2020 at 11:50 AM, Pipiripi said: Joseph My friend the BIBLE. Believe what is written in the Bible and follow Jesus. Ask yourself why till today all sick people are still healing in the name of Jesus. If there was magician in the time before Jesus in the Bible and till today they are doing magic, why is it difficult to trust God? I have a question for you: How old are you? But used an Atheist calendar to show me your age. Which version? You did not answer the question i asked. Also other religions could make the same claim. Where does it say in the Bible that God said to write the 66 books that comprise it? Who choose the 66 books from the more than 100 and when? Are "all sick people are still healing in the name of Jesus "? Howbeit, there are some healed and some are not? Yet you use the word "all sick people" How old am i? what calendar would you have me use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burl Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Please use a Ridgid Tool calendar for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thormas Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Burl said: Please use a Ridgid Tool calendar for me. Good one Burl. However since I'm sure I would be disowned by both my wife and daughter, I will go with a NYC (favorite city) Calendar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 On 4/8/2020 at 12:26 PM, JosephM said: Which version? You did not answer the question i asked. Also other religions could make the same claim. Where does it say in the Bible that God said to write the 66 books that comprise it? Who choose the 66 books from the more than 100 and when? Are "all sick people are still healing in the name of Jesus "? Howbeit, there are some healed and some are not? Yet you use the word "all sick people" How old am i? what calendar would you have me use? My friend, it is not about choosing. It is what they have found what was left or hide. And God self has protected the rest of the old scriptures that we have today. Why the 66 books? Because they have determined that if the other scriptures that the founded, they don't need to write an other new Bible to put them in it. What we have is enough to put or trust in. Ask yourself why the devil didn't destroy the scriptures that we have now. The sick people that don't heal, is because they don't have true faith. Go on YouTube and search for emanuel tv. How old are you accordance to yours believe? Don't used Christians calendar. Because you don't believe in Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephM Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Pipiripi said: My friend, it is not about choosing. It is what they have found what was left or hide. And God self has protected the rest of the old scriptures that we have today. Why the 66 books? Because they have determined that if the other scriptures that the founded, they don't need to write an other new Bible to put them in it. What we have is enough to put or trust in. Ask yourself why the devil didn't destroy the scriptures that we have now. The sick people that don't heal, is because they don't have true faith. Go on YouTube and search for emanuel tv. How old are you accordance to yours believe? Don't used Christians calendar. Because you don't believe in Jesus. Who is the "they" that determined which books were accurate and when? You still have not answered which version of the Bible is most accurate. There are dozens of Christian versions. KJV, NAS, ASV, GW, NIV, NLT, NLS etc. etc. Which version is it that is accurate and infallible? Then I guess "all" aren;t healed as you posted, only those who have true faith? If i didn't use the Christian calendar you wouldn't understand what i meant. Where does the law require one to be Christian to use it so that others may understand? It is used by most of the world today and most religions. What's the big deal? It was not introduced until 1582. Christians before that had top use the Julian Roman calendar. So were there no Christians before 1582 because they used a pagan calendar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted May 21, 2020 Author Share Posted May 21, 2020 On 5/6/2020 at 8:37 AM, JosephM said: Who is the "they" that determined which books were accurate and when? You still have not answered which version of the Bible is most accurate. There are dozens of Christian versions. KJV, NAS, ASV, GW, NIV, NLT, NLS etc. etc. Which version is it that is accurate and infallible? Then I guess "all" aren;t healed as you posted, only those who have true faith? If i didn't use the Christian calendar you wouldn't understand what i meant. Where does the law require one to be Christian to use it so that others may understand? It is used by most of the world today and most religions. What's the big deal? It was not introduced until 1582. Christians before that had top use the Julian Roman calendar. So were there no Christians before 1582 because they used a pagan calendar? God has make everything including the days. The first day of creation. It doesn't matter which Bible is better, search on Google which Bible is closer to the original. Scholars have already do it. Only you just go to Google or Wikipedia. They have the pictures for you. For me it is very important to not to used anything that I don't believe into it, as my birthday or any other days. If you follow the Christian item is it pagan or not, show me from your believe how old you are my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephM Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Pipiripi said: For me it is very important to not to used anything that I don't believe into it, as my birthday or any other days. If you follow the Christian item is it pagan or not, show me from your believe how old you are my friend. Good for you. I use the present calendar to communicate with people and it doesn't matter to me who created it or if you think it is pagan or not. It is the Gregorian calendar and more scientifically accurate for the seasons than the Julian calendar used at the time of Jesus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thormas Posted May 21, 2020 Share Posted May 21, 2020 4 hours ago, JosephM said: Good for you. I use the present calendar to communicate with people and it doesn't matter to me who created it or if you think it is pagan or not. It is the Gregorian calendar and more scientifically accurate for the seasons than the Julian calendar used at the time of Jesus. Without the present calendar, we wouldn't know when to have Christmas :+} No Christmas, no July 4th, no Mother's Day and how would I know when to celebrate my birthday?...............come on Pipiripi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 8:37 AM, JosephM said: Good for you. I use the present calendar to communicate with people and it doesn't matter to me who created it or if you think it is pagan or not. It is the Gregorian calendar and more scientifically accurate for the seasons than the Julian calendar used at the time of Jesus. That is believing in Jesus for using something that not exist. So, I will keep praying for you. Jesus love you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted June 12, 2020 Author Share Posted June 12, 2020 On 5/21/2020 at 12:43 PM, thormas said: Without the present calendar, we wouldn't know when to have Christmas :+} No Christmas, no July 4th, no Mother's Day and how would I know when to celebrate my birthday?...............come on Pipiripi. If you don't believe in God, you cannot used something that not exist for you as it is so. You must have somewhere to deal with existence. Like this: How the first day come in existence? Why we are here for a short time and living poor then die poor, without no hope? Why I have to die so young and plants living thousand of years? The only book that can show us, is the BIBLE. If there is no God, then there is also no magic. No magicians. So simple truth. There is no healing in the name of Jesus. Open your mind my friend. God love you. If I don't believe in God, and I die, what did I loose if there is no God!! What about if there is a God? Isn't it better to believe in God who there is hope for eternal life? I love you all. I hope that you take the best move. God bless you and everyone that have read this message. end-times-prophecy.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I don't understand your point about calendars Piriripi. One doesn't need to believe in God to go along with a societal norm such as using the Gregorian Calendar. It just makes life easier for all if we work to something we agree on, such as dates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thormas Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 14 hours ago, Pipiripi said: If you don't believe in God, you cannot used something that not exist for you as it is so. You must have somewhere to deal with existence. Like this: How the first day come in existence? Why we are here for a short time and living poor then die poor, without no hope? Why I have to die so young and plants living thousand of years? The only book that can show us, is the BIBLE. If there is no God, then there is also no magic. No magicians. So simple truth. There is no healing in the name of Jesus. Open your mind my friend. God love you. If I don't believe in God, and I die, what did I loose if there is no God!! What about if there is a God? Isn't it better to believe in God who there is hope for eternal life? I love you all. I hope that you take the best move. God bless you and everyone that have read this message. end-times-prophecy.org But I do believe that God IS and thus all is open before me.............including a man-made calendar. And such who believe as I do, don't 'need' to have somewhere to deal with existence - existence rather is celebrated and lived as the Gift of the Father. I am filled with Hope based in Faith and expressed as Love. Just out of curiosity, how are we different from the seemingly ageless trees? No P, because there is God, we have no need of magic and Jesus was no magician. My mind is so open that I realize that we have no need for miracles since that is the in-breaking of the divine in the human - but it is not necessary for God to 'break-in' where he already IS. Or as Paul put it, 'we have our being in God.' We are the miracle who is called to take the 'mud' of humanity (Kazantzakis) and mold it to the image of God and we do this as we are in 'relation' with/to God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) On 6/12/2020 at 10:38 PM, PaulS said: I don't understand your point about calendars Piriripi. One doesn't need to believe in God to go along with a societal norm such as using the Gregorian Calendar. It just makes life easier for all if we work to something we agree on, such as dates. Okay Paul tried to follow me. People that don't believe in God can never knows their birthday. Why? Because the year and day and month, they are the years telling begin by Jesus birth. So for Atheist it is impossible to used something that doesn't exist. They must go back in their system of beginning to proof how old they really are. An example: I was born on 11-11-1961. So me that believe in God can used this day and year for my existence. Atheist their story don't have a beginning and an end. So simple truth. Edited June 18, 2020 by Pipiripi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulS Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 2:45 PM, Pipiripi said: Okay Paul tried to follow me. People that don't believe in God can never knows their birthday. Why? Because the year and day and month, they are the years telling begin by Jesus birth. So for Atheist it is impossible to used something that doesn't exist. They must go back in their system of beginning to proof how old they really are. An example: I was born on 11-11-1961. So me that believe in God can used this day and year for my existence. Atheist their story don't have a beginning and an end. So simple truth. I guess how you see truth is a little different to how I do. Yes, the Gregorian calendar is based upon (with a little error) the date of Jesus' birth. So if I agree Jesus lived, and had a calendar developed after him, why can't I use that date system? I don't have to believe in God to acknowledge we operate off a calendar that was developed after the life of a man. Most atheists and other non-Christians I know do acknowledge the historical existence of Jesus, so use of such a calendar is pretty normal in my view. I mean, I'm guessing you don't believe in the Roman Gods named Mars, Venus or Jupiter, but that doesn't mean you don't believe in the existence of these planets in our galaxy does it? Anyway, thanks for clarifying your understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thormas Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Pipiripi said: Okay Paul tried to follow me. People that don't believe in God can never knows their birthday. Why? Because the year and day and month, they are the years telling begin by Jesus birth. So for Atheist it is impossible to used something that doesn't exist. They must go back in their system of beginning to proof how old they really are. An example: I was born on 11-11-1961. So me that believe in God can used this day and year for my existence. Atheist their story don't have a beginning and an end. So simple truth. P, You do realize that the calendar you're talking about is also wrong (as mentioned by Paul). It was a guesstimate when Jesus was born and they called that 1 AD (CE) but they were wrong: Jesus was born before what they called 1AD so Jesus was born in BC or what is now called BCE. So the atheist and for that matter none of us, including Jesus know when we were born. However you must realize the is not the date of your birth but the life lived that is the true mark of a man or woman. You are fighting a losing battle and a battle that no one cares about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipiripi Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 9:42 AM, thormas said: P, You do realize that the calendar you're talking about is also wrong (as mentioned by Paul). It was a guesstimate when Jesus was born and they called that 1 AD (CE) but they were wrong: Jesus was born before what they called 1AD so Jesus was born in BC or what is now called BCE. So the atheist and for that matter none of us, including Jesus know when we were born. However you must realize the is not the date of your birth but the life lived that is the true mark of a man or woman. You are fighting a losing battle and a battle that no one cares about. My friend if something that not exist for me I don't used something that doesn't exist. Find out why you have the year that you have now I correctly. My believe have a beginning and an ending story. My believe have names from the first persons on this world. A father and a mother. Your believing begin in the middle of history and ended when you die. But we true Christians will have eternally life. If God not exist, if I die what I have to loose? Nothing. But what about there is a God, and I don't believe? Isn't it better to believe in God? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thormas Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 50 minutes ago, Pipiripi said: My friend if something that not exist for me I don't used something that doesn't exist. Find out why you have the year that you have now I correctly. My believe have a beginning and an ending story. My believe have names from the first persons on this world. A father and a mother. Your believing begin in the middle of history and ended when you die. But we true Christians will have eternally life. If God not exist, if I die what I have to loose? Nothing. But what about there is a God, and I don't believe? Isn't it better to believe in God? Actually Jesus's earthly time was not at the beginning, perhaps more to the middle so I' right on target :+} Careful P as now you're judging who will have and who won't have eternal life - 'true Christians' don't make such judgements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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