jonnyb Posted March 7, 2012 Posted March 7, 2012 Just a thought.... If a 'Bible' was written today, what events/history/stories would it contain? Say it covered the last hundred years or so. There would be stories of spirituality, forgiveness, war.... I'm thinking Nelson Mandela should be in there for a start.....any more ideas?
minsocal Posted March 8, 2012 Posted March 8, 2012 Efficient causes do not change over time ... they are static. So the drama plays out ... we are what we have been and we would like to be better. The play of effiicient causes with final causes. We need to take a stance. Push or pull?
NORM Posted March 8, 2012 Posted March 8, 2012 If a 'Bible' was written today... ...it would be called "The Lord of the Rings." ...or some such... NORM
glintofpewter Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 Bob Dylan Springsteen Joan Baez Desmond Tutu Writings of Dag Hammarskjold The Shack Byzantium Lamb, the Gospel of Biff Riddley Walker by Russell Hoban (It reminds us how easy it is to lose our way, forget what we have, lose our technology. Paintings by Mark Rothko, Stanley Spencer, Georgia O'Keeffe, Banksy Too Hot to Handel Christmas concert w/ Marin Alsop conducting Modern Migration of the Spirit by Orozco at Dartmouth College online check it out for an alternative view of Jesus Stone of spiritual understanding by Noguchi The view from Dead Horse Point SSE on a clear day and knowing where all the sediment for each layer in the Canyonlands comes from. Viewing Castle Valley Utah from high in the Uintah Mtns. Ralph Nader Sculpture by Anthony Caro, Rodin, Cool Hand Luke The Hebrew Bible consisted of scrolls, the religious writings, from a small group of people, perhaps at the return from captivity less than the student body of a large University. In 200CE there may have been 190 million people in the world. Today 7 billion. That suggests that our "new Bible" would be 36 x larger than the one we call the Bible now. The new Bible increase in size would not be a straight line increase but an exponential one because with so many more people many more connections came be made. It would also reflect the pluralism of our global environment with a unified call to love, empathy, and compassion. Not every voice in the "New Bible" would agree on how to achieve this. There would be prophetic even Apocalyptic stories about the end of the world if we don't do ....." Dutch
jonnyb Posted March 9, 2012 Author Posted March 9, 2012 great response, Dutch, thanks. that's a bible i'd like to own. like the idea of modern songs in a 'psalms' section. Jonny
Yvonne Posted March 9, 2012 Posted March 9, 2012 An intereting idea - I'm reading Borg's "Reading the Bible Again for the First Time". I wonder how, in 2000 years, people would interpret our myths and music?
tariki Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekdXmPlCBOY Psalm 1, a psalm of Springsteen. On a rattlesnake speedway in the Utah desert I pick up my money and head back into town Driving cross the Waynesboro county line I got the radio on and I'm just killing time Working all day in my daddy's garage Driving all night chasing some mirage Pretty soon little girl I'm gonna take charge The dogs on Main Street howl 'cause they understand If I could take one moment into my hands Mister I ain't a boy, no I'm a man And I believe in a promised land I've done my best to live the right way I get up every morning and go to work each day But your eyes go blind and your blood runs cold Sometimes I feel so weak I just want to explode Explode and tear this whole town apart Take a knife and cut this pain from my heart Find somebody itching for something to start The dogs on Main Street howl 'cause they understand If I could reach one moment into my hands Mister I ain't a boy, no I'm a man And I believe in a promised land Hmm Hmmm Hmmmm Well there's a dark cloud rising from the desert floor I packed my bags and I'm heading straight into the storm Gonna be a twister to blow everything down That ain't got the faith to stand its ground Blow away the dreams that tear you apart Blow away the dreams that break your heart Blow away the lies that leave you nothing but lost and brokenhearted Well the dogs on Main Street howl 'cause they understand If I could take one moment into my hands Mister I ain't a boy, no I'm a man And I believe in a promised land And I believe in a promised land And I believe in a promised land
JenellYB Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 Interesting how within the words of some popular songs, there lies beneath the superficial surface something that reaches deep into some of us, to touch something deeper perhaps, with some 'meaning' at a deeper level than what the popular audience may comprehend, but so often in such a way that while many feel somehow touched deeply inside, they could not say how or why... So many of our classic folk works from the 50's-70's do that to many...just as this one by Springsteen. Two others that come to mind that always touched me and others deeply, without understading why, were "Puff, the Magic dragon," and "a Horse With no Name." Now that I've encountered the ideas and thinking of such ones as Jung and Joseph Cambell, that makes more sense than it did back then. That has been especially so with "Puff," how many of us felt downright silly, and were laughed at, for actually crying everytime we heard "Puff?" Lol! But the 'story' of Puff and Jacki Paper is one almost everyone of us have lived out , and grieved, in our journey. And for the few that come to understand it, comprehend it, to accomplish within, the reunion of Puff and Jacki Paper, it is the most joyous reunion imaginable. Jenell
minsocal Posted March 10, 2012 Posted March 10, 2012 An intereting idea - I'm reading Borg's "Reading the Bible Again for the First Time". I wonder how, in 2000 years, people would interpret our myths and music? Did the ancients not think the same?
glintofpewter Posted March 11, 2012 Posted March 11, 2012 Did the ancients not think the same? They are the same as we are - more or less, not enough for this discussion - but they are in a different context. The human problems they face - zoning, raising children, confronting their mortality are ours also. Our technology, our cosmology, our governments,which is a result of our view of humans in the universe and before God, our global enterprise, our prolonged adolescence - these are the the result of new creative moments where the many become one and this one is added to the many for the next moment. It is not all sure "forward" progress but inexorably in a positive direction. Dutch
murmsk Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 Might I add, "I have a dream" or virtually anything written by MLK a picture of the earth from space and picture of the solar system from earth A few passages from Ebo Patel on pluralism steve
PaulS Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 I'd like to see a disclaimer before Genesis: "The opinions expressed in this Bible do not necessarily reflect the views of God. This book contains scenes that some readers may find disturbing. Reader discretion advised".
jonnyb Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 Genesis ch1, 'they paved paradise, put up a parking lot'
jonnyb Posted March 12, 2012 Author Posted March 12, 2012 there could be a 'revelations' which looks at theories of the long term future of the earth - global warmng, meteorite collisions etc
glintofpewter Posted March 12, 2012 Posted March 12, 2012 For he second account of the creation I nominate Jim Burklo's "Seeds and stardust" I have posted this more once here. Opening lines: It’s awesome! That I came from a seed and so did you. Fifteen billion years ago, The universe was so small It was hardly more than a fuzzy speckle, Barely as big as a freckle on a flea. And all that there was and all that could be Was rolled up inside like a baby in a blanket. Everything that came before Dreams and dinosaurs, Planets and popsicles, Gardens and galaxies, Was packed inside so tightly That one thing had just about no room To be any different than another thing. Outer space was squished inner. ........ This is how the universe Finds and enjoys itself! Bits of stardust from the seed Came together to make Eyes and ears and brains and minds. From seeds and stardust You and I were formed, So we could learn where we came from, And say: “Awesome!”
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