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Jason -- I HIGHLY doubt you'll go to hell by being a liberal! That's just some propoganda the more "radical" thinkers like to feed you with. And even if there was something evil about being a liberal individual, God is a forgiving God right?

Did I in ANY way state that? I didn’t even bring him (King) up in the 1st place…. And I think religion can be used at times, but not MOST of the time. When you’re trying to compare – perhaps that we’re all alike, we’re ALL God’s children (once again GOD, not a specific God…ok?) to show that neither black nor white is the superior race. Perhaps to use religion in that way would not be offensive. Bush crosses the line when he uses it. Here’s a few examples of bush using religion TOO much! “My faith tells me that acceptance of Jesus Christ as my savior is my salvation, and I believe I made it clear that it is not the governor's role to decide who goes to heaven. I believe God decides who goes to heaven, not George W. Bush. “ -- Clarifying his relationship with Creation, Austin, Texas, Dec. 3, 1998 “Which isn't the America we know? Fear among Muslim Americans or compassion in the Jewish and Christian communities? I'm confused.” – the bush Town hall meeting, Orlando, Florida, Dec. 4, 2001 “But one way is for religion to be introduced - is for me - you know, my heart was changed - one heart at a time, my little old heart.“ Incoherently religious in interview, US News & World Report, Dec. 6, 1999 “And if you choose to -- if you believe in the Almighty, you can -- you're equally an American. If you're a Jew, Christian or Muslim or Hindi or whatever. It is one of the great traits and traditions of our country, where people can worship the way you see fit. “ --Quote the bush -- “Hindi is a language spoken in India. A Hindu is an adherent of Hinduism.” Oh well. Interview on Larry King Live (CNN), aired Aug. 15, 2004 “One of the great things about this country is a lot of people pray. “ -- I guess we're the only Godly country out there ? Washington, D.C., Apr. 13, 2003 The bush And and HERE’s one of the biggies; “It's so inspirational to see your courage, as well as to see the great works of our Lord in your heart. “ - the bush -- Speaking on behalf of all Americans in a manner that is only consistent with the religious beliefs of some, Nashville, Tennessee, Feb. 10, 2003 How is that wrong at all? Seem pretty convincing to me…and I can go on ALL day with more and more Bush quotes! There’s pages of him referring NOT only to a “GOD” but to a specific religion “Christianity.” So are you saying to me that YOU think a Christian President should be in office? That they are in some ways “better” than another qualified candidate? I don’t think so! We don’t listen to the president for a sermon, we don’t need him to teach us about Jesus ( you have a Preacher at your local church who gets paid to do that job) and it really upsets me knowing that this man (the bush) can’t even quote BIBLE passages but yet he seems to be the most Christian guy since the Pope! Almost like he’s worshipped by Americans for his beliefs. I don’t judge someone according to what they believe in, where they “think” their going after they die. I judge someone according to their actions, their love for man kind, their desire to help the needy and to change a mind – to teach someone, just as I’m teaching someone reading this now, maybe even yourself. I think bush has showed the world his actions and desires and I think we all agree when I say he isn’t the most compassionate man. “Christianity” taught us love and understanding. Compassion. Something that man (the bush) knows NOTHING of! And it shows everyday…. Want more examples fella? WELL then! Just read above. This was a short reply True, they do get teased all the time. BUT YOU TELL ME, do you think it hurts a child WORSE when he gets made fun of for his ugly outfit, bad hair cut OR his religion beliefs?! EVEN POLITICAL beliefs now!!! I had a little friend in school once, Katie and she was a Jew. This was when “praying” in school was still acceptable. The teacher broke out in prayer before lunch one day and I remember glancing over at her and watching her stare at everyone, like “what’s going on?” That young child (who are very impressionable at a young age) was wondering what was going on and how come she couldn’t be part of the group participation. That’s not fair to her OR any other kids sitting in that class that aren’t that particular religion. NOW here’s where the GW b/s comes into play…. Christianity has become the new “popular” thing with politics. Especially CONSERVATIVE republicans! Read a few quotes above if you need some reference… My little sister is in kindergarten now and just the other day she told me a little girl came in wearing a Bush sticker! *OH MY GOODNESS!* My mom taught us at a young age not to fall for propaganda like “republicans” throw at you AND I’m sure parents of those “bush lovers” have taught them as well. My mom had Kerry signs up in her yard during the election and these teenagers would walk by every day, she said and pull the signs up. She could see them from her kitchen window. NOW YOU AND I BOTH KNOW! That those kids HAVE NO clue about politics and what’s really going on. They have been taught these things (that REPUBLICANS are right and true Christians and that anything else is UN-AMERICAN and democrats are now the NEW baby killers! ROFL!!) and that’s not fair. They’ve been taught that liberals are bad (just like the guy that started this post is being accused of being “evil” and going to hell because he didn’t “think” like them) non-Christians are evil and almost like they’re part of some “higher” more elite class if they believe in what they believe. I don’t get the republican party at all! They “say” they’re for less government but then turn around and make National ID cards (step shy of installing computer chips in you as a baby) and have a new law every other week. And a tax break for the rich If you’re for a LESS government party, check out the Libertarian party. Their link below: http://www.lp.org/ Take a look at the previous tax bracket Bush was in: **President George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush's Taxable Income /taxes paid, in 1991: $654,972 / $204,841 (31.3%) **President George W. Bush and Laura Bush's Taxable Income /taxes paid, in 2001: $811,100 $250,202 (30.8%) **President George W. Bush and Laura Bush's Taxable Income in 2003 (the tax cuts DO help!): $822,126 /$227,490 (27.7%) There’s some PROOF for ya! You “can” but it’s the ones that see through all the outer b/s that are the true angels. Jesus NEVER “judged” anyone. He forgave people or their sins and even with a prostitute! Mary Magdalene. You CAN do whatever you WANT to do, but it’s those that choose the best way that are really “peacemakers & angels” in God’s eyes – I believe. Just like I could “choose” to just go out and kill someone. But I choose not to. I choose to live my life right and NEVER judge anyone. And even if we DID choose to do bad, our God is a forgiving God. I ask him every day to forgive me of things I've done and thought and to take hate out of my heart. You should do the same. Judge not lest ye be judged... I will live by that! And pray for you. No, I think I speak with most of the folks here when I say NOPE. I don’t think it’s “OK!” It’s wrong, you’re taking up MY time with God to discuss these crooks! I don’t think so…. When I take my children to church, they’re not going to hear about Bush and Dick’s latest profit gain from this war or about how they’re trying to do away with social security. I want them to hear God’s message and learn all about this wonderful religion. I want them to not only learn it but to live it. Practice it. That’s WHY I think you discussing BUSINESS in church is WRONG! Dude, I can throw a MILLION and ONE things bush has done wrong and admitted to! Don't even go there...this post will turn into a 5 page essay! lol Bush has, just the other day, decided that you and I should pay $1 billion dollars to give services to criminals. Yes, criminals. Illegal aliens are criminals. Their first act in our country was entering it illegally. That makes them criminals. Bush is aiding and abetting them. I'd support impeachment. “Bush has taken over $300,000 from pharmaceutical companies for his Presidential campaign, while the prescription drug approach Bush favors is the same approach supported by the drug industry.” http://www.flara.org/bushandpharm20sep00.htm "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Quoting Bush in Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002 Why doesn’t he care? Perhaps he’s too busy worrying about Iraq… ? Wanna know how much Dick profited from the Iraq war? Bout a BILLION! Visit the link below: http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=6008 After the death of the pope, The Vatican limited the official delegation to five for the trip. WELL, instead of inviting our FORMER PRESIDENT, Jimmy Carter - whom I'm proud to say was GA's first president elect! - the bush invited Laura Bush (boyfriend killer) and Condi Rice. NOW I'm SORRY BUT PRESIDNT CARTER SO much more deserved that spot that Condi Rice OR Laura Bush! And he DID want to go! That man RAN our country! What have those 2 women done lately? NOT MUCH!! SO sadly, President Carter had to sit out the trip to Rome. That man is OLD and may not be around for many more years....DID Condi Rice REALLY have to be as COLD as she was?! After all, she had NO relationship with that man whatsoever! Probably never even spoke with him. I'm sure Carter had done at least that much.... http://msnbc.msn.com/id/7403576 So SAD! Point is, this administration is COLD! They don't "care" about these other people or their Land. The bush has an agenda and he's looking to fill it before his time runs out. And may I remind you people as well, the bush and friends INC aren't playing with thousands (like we do) NOR even millions! He's playing with BILLIONS! I could go on and on all day but I won’t for now. Your questions are REALLY TOO broad to answer in one reply. I’m sure you're a bull-headed republican (or you sond like you may be? I may be wrong... we'll see I'm soon I'm sure!) that is set in your way, so I don’t know if I’ll even do any good convincing to you but maybe someone reading this will learn. So no, this isn’t a waste of time. Glad I could be here! Please DO NOT put words into my mouth. I don’t like that too much That’s my whole argument genius, I don’t care which God or religion he is and neither should anyone else. Whomever seems the most qualified for the position, presents his work with careful words and precise THOUGH OUT actions. Bush can’t even spell! How’s he fit to run our Country? LOL, Once again, don’t wanna sound like a skipping record here; but you must not understand. I don’t CARE what kind of religion this man “lives” for. I don’t like him. Period. HE HAS NOT done a good job running our Country and it shows in so many ways. Want all the things he’s done wrong as well James? I can get them for you No problem… I said “Right, you CAN use religion in politics but only in an intelligent, insightful way.” Did I say that? DID I SAY IN ANY form my way was right? You’re starting to get on my nerves now…and I think you may just be trying to “pick” me apart. Don’t be so anal dude! I didn’t say “my way” was the right way. I said you must use it (religion) in an intelligent way (not throwing it around like the bush) and insightful (perhaps using “GOD” like MLK did to relate to human rights and the basic comparison that we’re ALL EQUALS!) Like I said before, don’t try and put words in my mouth. I think most people understood me when I made that statement. You must be a republican – they love to play on words people say and make them ugly. =( OH and this is just TOO funny! You may “think” that you’re above God in someway, but this will NEVER be stopped. No amount of NEW LAWS (just something else for the government to profit off of and they “claim” to be for less government, remember?) LOL, people can see what’s going on. It’s like murder. You can make it illegal all day but is it really going to stop? Nope. You may live in a “fantasy” world where there’s only life and wonderful things going on BUT here in the REAL WORLD things like that will happen forever. And you are a man anyway! You really don’t even have the right to go there…. Until you squeeze a 7 lb 8 oz HUMAN out one of your bodily organs you shouldn’t discuss this. And I know you’re gonna come back with the “oh it takes a man to make a baby as well!” REALLY?! So I’ll go ahead and say this. This is the man’s work involved in making a child, he gets a hardy, has HOT sex, orgasms and then sits back to relax. ALL joyful things that require NO real work. So like I said, until your body is a barer of a child… don’t even go there dude. Yes, I am a free thinking liberal and I disagree with abortions. I, personally would never do it. I however, am PRO-CHOICE! It’s the individuals choice to decide what happens (not only in a situation like that but throughout life) and your decisions eventually help decide where you spend eternity. OK, your abortions are so bad but statistics show that MOST conservative, republicans are for the death penalty. Once again, you’re not God and you cannot and will not (no matter how hard you try) decide who lives and dies and what all transpires in this GREAT big World. And no, the US isn’t the “WORLD POWER!” That’s what Hitler was going for remember? And that’s not such a good thing… We go with the intent to help but that’s just setting up our soldiers in each and every Country on the face of this planet. I know first hand, B has been to Bosnia, Korea and IRAQ! They’re setting our soldiers up and they don’t just come in and fight the war and leave. OH NO! We’re (US soldiers) are there for good. And if you want proof of my husband being enlisted, that can be provided as well. I’d just hope you’re not that child-like. Have a wonderful, terrific day readers and thanks for reading this far down. Heheh… And I leave you with this excellent quote: “Either write something worth reading, or do something worth writing” Benjamin Franklin

Right, you CAN use religion in politics but only in an intelligent, insightful way. And you shouldn't harp on it, it should be used sparingly not thrown around like confetti. It's a delicate subject and should be discusseed with care. Like King did, he discussed it in a way that would not offend people. I'm sure he had a LARGE following of African American muslims. He was FOR ALL people, Bush is for a select few. Religion in politics is possible but very tricky. There is where bush fails to get it. Anything half way complicated that man is clueless. And that's my point. Did not mean to attack you but I am very passionate about BOTH subjects and I may have taken you the wrong way. I appologize if I did and hope you saw my "pov" as well.

Actually.... I responded about King. You barely gave me time to get my post down! King was a preacher. He preached for human rights and equality. Something the bible DOES speak of and says is right and just. He HAD to go through the Government because at the TIME, they decide if African American's went to public schools, rode on a bus or even drank out of the same water fountain as white people. He didn't PIN POINT a religion, he said "GOD" in his speeches. Next time, read ALL of my reply before you hastily post another. King was an intelligent man, let's not go comparing his method to the bush. Invoked inclusively? How has bush invoked it inclusively? He's pin pointed HIS religion and seems to bring it up whenever he has the chance. Or are you even talking about the bush? I agree, Christianity SHOULD NOT be forced onto anyone - they should have the FREEDOM to choose whatever they want to believe! And by not PUSHING it into everyone's face with this new "FAD" the republican party seems to be developing across America. That's wrong and should be stopped! Do you Fred, need someone in your face yelling "believe in what I believe in, that makes it right!" I don't and I would hope you don't as well. My beliefs are strong and NO politician will ever change that. Equating discussing religion with "imposing" it on everyone? I think that religion can be a beautiful thing but there is a TIME AND PLACE for everything my friend! And the CHURCH is not a place for POLITICAL agenda's as well as OUR WHITE HOUSE is not a place for RELIGIOUS talk. I feel that is has been "imposed" on Americans through the bush admin and that is wrong! I would rather my children learn about good, love and peace through my pastor rather than a MONEY, grubbing, war loving little man! I said: Either way, doesn't matter his religous beliefs. Are you saying that someone may not be as "qualified" for the job if he/she isn't a Christian? You replied with: Have I come even close to implying this? What I've said is that it's appropriate for politicians to appeal to beliefs and sentiments that form the religious and spiritual core of humanity (MLK on equality, for example), rather than continue to address the nation as if these beliefs and sentiments didn't exist. You came close in your above paragraph and here: I think a GOOD mix of politics is when you mention a "GOD." Don't start saying Christianity this and christianity that. There's MILLIONS of Americans out there who aren't Christian! *wow* Imagine that... Basically, it's ok to use the word "GOD" because AS I STATED BEFORE, all religions have a "GOD!" But to pin point certain religions and make them seem like they're the one everyone should believe in is WRONG WRONG WRONG! Nobody cares which God bush believes in! He doesn't show his love for humanity and compassion and understanding like the bible teaches. He starts wars for profits and doesn't try and negotiate with anyone! He doesn't take in other Countries opinions and doesn't exemplify his religous beliefs! Now I ask, why do you care if bush uses Christianity in his politics? What good has come from it? Not much! Yes he did use more of a human perspective and he did SHOW THAT WE ALL are God's children and everyone's perspective(no MATTER WHAT RELIGION!) should be taken into account. Don't try and switch this up on me by using Martin Luther King. He was a Southern, civil rights activist, baptist preacher NOT the President of the US.

Fred p, there shouldn't be ANY TYPE of government issues discussed in a place of worship. Whether it be LIBERAL or CONSERVATIVE! That house belongs to GOD, not the US government and the two shouldn't even be compared or discussed together AT ALL. It's just common sense... when government and religion start mixing, you have all sorts of things going wrong. Just like they are now in Washington and all across America for that fact. Our LEADERS SHOULDN'T discuss a "particular" religion, especially when they are supposedly addressing a Nation of MANY religions! Our leaders represent a vast majority of different people with different ideas and understandings. The idea of another religion SHOULD NEVER be imposed onto someone. And who's the imposing leader you may ask? Bush is the #1 guy! Children attending school get ridicule from other children because they are "Jewish" or "Muslims." This is b/s and is SO sad! Their parents (mostly bush lovers) feed them with this propoganda that you're not as good as the other person if you don't believe in Jesus and THEIR GOD. This is just absurd. The Bible teaches that ANYONE can be forgiven. I don't "look down" on my Jewish neighbor because they believe differently than me. Everyone was brought up a different way so don't be so quick to judge. That's God's job remember? They can't help that's what they've been taught since the day they were born! Imagine someone telling you YOUR religion is wrong and you aren't a good person because of that? I would never "judge" someone according to their beliefs and I hope they would do the same. Democrats DO NOT discuss religion that much because they understand this, they understand THEIR JOB is to not only look out for Christians, but ALL Americans. It doesn't matter if a group of people believe in a cow! Their job isn't to try and convert... it's to understand and work for solutions for our great Country. Kerry DID use religion somewhat in his politics. NOT to the degree the bush did but he def. did use it! I heard Kerry throw out some Bible passages and even talk of his days as a Catholic altar boy. I don't think I've EVER heard bush mutter a Bible passage! I think he's using it to HIS advantage and it's just anothe one of his political strategies. I just don't feel he is sincere. AND if he is using Christianity as a political strategy, he should be ashamed of himself. Either way, doesn't matter his religous beliefs. Are you saying that someone may not be as "qualified" for the job if he/she isn't a Christian? I guess that's what the majority of Americans are going towards. ? But it's a MESSED up reason. You're voting for a GOVERNMENT politician! Do you HONESTLY think any of them are truly good people? hahahahah! If you think that, then you have a BIG awakening coming. And about Martin Luther King's approach to using God in his speeches... He (King) was fighting for civil rights. He WAS a preacher! He was fighting for understanding, love and togetherness and RIGHTS for black Americans. All the principles of good Christian belief. He wasn't the President of the US and I'm SURE he didn't try and IMPOSE his beliefs onto anyone. If "God" was the extent of his mixing religion and politics then he did a fairly well job at it. He didn't "poke" fun at other religions or anything of the sort. I quote the bush: "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." —at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001 That isn’t that mans religion! I DON’T UNDERSTAND the joy of Hanukkah! I’m a Baptist therefore, I celebrate Christmas. I understand that some folks get joy from Hanukkah (my husband worked at a Chaplains office in Texas that was ran by a Rabbi, the guy was the most upbeat, understanding, intelligent guy) but people that aren’t that religion USUALLY don’t celebrate a different religions holiday. The bush is just weird! And I’m not putting Jews down at ALL! I just simply think that the bush has NO CLUE what he’s talking about. How is he FIT to run our Country when he can’t even think of the right words to say? God be with this great Country and hopefully one day it’ll be back in the hands of a true American Patriot.

Hey Geek I totally agree with that. There has been TOO much of a mix of politics and religion these past few years; while I AM a devout Baptist lady, I believe there's a time and place for your religion. YES, this Country was founded on a single "God" but let's not forget that every single religion has a "God" and I think that's why our forefather's put only that phrase. Remember folks, they came here for religous freedom! "And the irony of it all is, the people that helped vote this very fool in office (the bush) claim to be "Christians" and peacemakers. What with this un-called for war and death it's brought. Jesus was a peacemaker remeber? I do believe there's a passage in the bible that states, "blessed be the peacemakers (meek) for they shall inherit the Earth!" They claim that Bush is our "Christian" President! This is just TOO funny You CANNOT mix Religion and Politics! Read more about that here.. By being the President of the U.S., your duties include governing over ALL sorts of people with different religions. NOT just Christianity. A principle our Country was founded on... Religious Freedom! I wonder how the Citizens of this country that work and pay their taxes JUST like the so called "Christians" feel about Bush. I would be willing to bet my RIGHT hand that most of them don't care for him. Most of them would say, "I can't relate to this man. He doesn't even attempt to understand me (different religions) so why should I care about him? It's totally understandable.... the solution is simple. We need to get religion back outta politics - We need the help of other Countries for Iraq (including the UN!) And we need to QUIT giving rich Americans so many tax breaks, they don't deserve it and should pay up just like every other hard working American! And a good solution to the social security problem is they should stop using the extra payments (they get extra every few years) and save it in accounts for years that you are behind in funds. The government isn't very good at saving money. I know first hand, my husband was in the military for 6 years. Boy that sure was fun! Good luck w/ your posting Geek and look forward to hearing from you! Lindsey -- My site -- Beware of Bush