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matteoam last won the day on December 23 2013

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  1. "The Buddha taught that we hold our fate in our own hands. We have the means to put an end to suffering in this life, and end the cycle of future rebirths. This is not the Christian understanding of the nature of suffering. Suffering is seen as inevitable, and I think Jesus saw it in the same light. In any case, he didn’t actually “teach” an end to suffering in this life. That is not to say he didn’t think it was possible, only that he didn’t tell us how it might be accomplished." So now you're talking about the Eightfold Path - the cessation of suffering. The Buddha though he told u
  2. Is a fundamental equivalent the state or fact of something being equivalent; equal in valuer or force? If so, then the only way to determine the fundamental equivalent when discussing Buddhism and Christianity is not that they are the same, but that they hold similar beliefs. It's not a surprise that Elisabeth Clare Prophet and others have seen something in Jesus's teachings that make them think about Buddhism. They both deal with the human experience. They both offer similar, but not necessary identical ideas about what it means to be a human being and how to deal with the suffering that is i
  3. "...if someone could explain some fundamental equivalents in both teachings that would certainly give me pause to reflect." What is a fundamental equivalent, then? Please define that as I may not understand what you are talking about.
  4. Steve and I disagree with your statement that you disagree with my statement. Why is it absurd? I am not trying to be a reductionist here. I agree there are differences between the traditions. I don't ignore the differences in world religions. "For your information, there are many Buddhists who, while not neccessarily dogmatic, are very concerned with "right view", one element of the Eightfold Noble Path. This "right view" is an understanding, acceptance, and ultimate realization of the Buddha's teachings." Yeah, and?
  5. This is the reading list the White Robed Monks have on their site. I have read most of them, but more than just being intellectually fulfilling, they have present me with the opportunity to go beyond the limitations within myself and allow me the see the idea that the same old arguments about this or that aspect of theology, or about this or that tradition, can and should be transcended. The Holy Rule of St. Benedict Abe, Masao. Zen and Western Thought Barnhart OSB Cam, Bruno and Joseph Wong OSB Cam. Purity of Heart and Contemplation: A Monastic Dialogue between Christian and Asian
  6. http://www.wrmosb.org/nonduality/index.html This is just one source which has opened my heart. I am a better Christian in my practice of Buddhism and in my knowledge if all world religions because I deeply believe that all strive to define what it means to be human. Even an atheist could draw do much non-theistic knowledge if what it means to be human. God isn't needed to be human.
  7. http://buddha-christ.info/faqs.html Now I don't know if Jesus had any contact with Buddhism. Since he was Jewish I can only see what the Judaism of his time had to say and there are many opinions. But there is enough interfaith dialogue between Christians and Buddhist with a bibliography that would be the length of your arm to suggest common ground in the human experience to say there are enough similarities in the traditions. Each are also unique in their differences which should be respected. Steve I disagree with you about the general statement " the more one penetrates the teachin
  8. I recommend Abraham Lincoln vs. Zombies which released the same year as the vampire hunter movie. Though low budget it as preferable to see confederate zombies being slain.
  9. Norm Your point is accurate. Faith in these "laws" are necessary. Faith in the types of scientific methods are necessary. I'm not trying to start an argument about religion v. Science as it is really boring and is explored ad nauseam in other posts. My views are noted elsewhere. My point in this thread is the watering down of the beliefs of PC which bothers me. One need not be a PC to adhere to these points either. It seems too often than not that the usual suspects of these posts take an either/or stance on issues which to me is limiting in and of itself. This is my last commen
  10. Norm That makes sense. If one is an atheist, an agnostic, or a secularist then there are other sets of "principles, rituals, rites, traditions, ancient texts, new revelations, and etc." which one abides by to obtain a goal or state of being. The so called scientific rationalist is as religious as that person who places their faith and hope in a spirituality. Belief in the religion of Science then is no different really. We all believe in something. The question is in what and how do we live our lives accordingly.
  11. Marcus Borg's view of the resurrection is as valid as any other Christian view or view of those who outright reject it whether literally or metaphorically. Why? Because it (the resurrection) is ultimately something that no one knows rationally no matter how McGhee they pour reason into it. That cup will not be filled.
  12. Where did I say anyone "must" believe?
  13. Norm As far as the resurrection when Christians like Marcus Borg discuss it then why not accept it. The view of the more fundamentalist Chrustian of the resurrection is no more or less true than the PC. For example the notion of different types of embodiments - subtle body, mental body, and spiritual body - are no less Relevant. I think resurrection is the transformation of matter to its original state. Not sure what state is as not even the most traditional, conservative, orthodox, fundamentalist of any denomination explain what that is. I don't believe in the supernatural either. A
  14. I like adding podcasts to some of there conversations. Here is a great one about Jesus. The podcast is Mormon Matters and is hosted by a Mormon who is very much a Progressive Christian in his views. The information is nothing new concerning the historical Jesus but is worth the listen if you choose to access it. At about an hour and a half into it there is a discussion on Paul which might touch on the issue of syncretism which has been brought up. http://www.mormonmatters.org/rssmm.xml
  15. What is the definition of a "successful" religion?
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