Gaston

Don't feel bad, I lambasted the Christian right on Christianity.com and got banned. I suppose it actually DOES mean that I'm intolerant, though eh? Nah, they just fear us. Gaston

Well, I'm an independant Quaker who has just discovered the 8 point system here. It's interesting and all, but I have a feeling there's still some orthodoxy that we're missing (albeit if you don't believe Jesus died for your salvation, what's the point of being a Christian, so that's not really what I'm talking about) I need to look at more threads now. Gaston

Woops I reread this. (I am always doing this). Think it will be easier to just do another post. As I agree with my previous one. But do you really believe God is sending judgement that caused 9-11 or the Iraqi insurgency? If so s/he would be quite a nasty God that wouldn't discriminate between people who actually inflicted the current policies and innocents (including young boys holding guns), Iraqis, who are no doubt being killed at a higher rate than Americans, etc. I think some humans have better morals than that! --des Don't worry, I don't even know how to edit. There doesn't seem to be an option here? Moderators? Well my thing is that I usually take a more devils advocate side and poke fun in a lighthearted way that usually gets construed as if I actually think that way (though I'm just making it blatenly obvious through sarcasm that I think the opposite and I think what I think because I think it's right and I prove it by pointing out the opposite of whatever reason I think because it makes you see your flaw). However, only the people who have gotten to know me on MBs understand this. If I find a new site (like Christianity, no, ESPECIALLY Christianity.com) I'm posting things that are going to make you mad, well it's making you mad because you see your fault, at least, not because I'm necessarily mean (though waaaaaaaaaay too fascetious for my own good, I suppose) I ask God to help me with it but I'm just too into it at times to realize it. Hence this MB. However, despite these problems, I still think that technique is just the best way to advise someone that they are at fault (not wrong, wrong beliefs can be talked over) because in the end it IS lighthearted. You have to admit that I'm just being nice about you being wrong (usually only provoked because YOU said that I was wrong first, um, no buddy, look out....) Know what I mean? It's just my cyber personality (well it's my actual personality too, I get in trouble all the time because I'm never serious about serious things, I guess.) I'm actually a very happy man! Now, the thing with fu fundementalists is that it's almost futile to even show them straight up that you're in the right according to, oh, I don't know, FACTS! If I do this in such a way that they are completely stripped of their logic in huge massive fell blows, what should I expect? People don't like being shown things like Nike human rights violations, ozone depletion specifically from a type of SUV that they drive, or even that Muslims worship the same God as Jews and that God is one of the God's in the Trinity (and the one God that those three are a part of also!) I mean, most of these people MUST be older individuals, sometimes I'm just shocked to read what they post. Sometimes it bothers me and that's why I can be harsh, but I really just feel sorry for them. I was thinking about it more today and there's so much disaster in the world as of late, this ongoing tsunami stuff, them, the war in Iraq basically going on because of them, the hypocrisy of that, etc. Oh well. Here's my reply: No no, harm as retribution is an oxymoron as a Christian, remember? That's the problem with them! It's an eye for an eye. They're basically Jews (or they're not, but most doctrine they believe in mimics Judaism, not Christianity) People can be put in their place in loving non violent ways. Everybody wins. Hence the actual problem with radical Islamists. Most of the mouth of the Christian right support a "Christian" form of jihad against radical Islam. We're in a holy war, don't forget. Bush wasn't joking when he called it a crusade. Hence, Iraq caused basically by radical religious fundementalism. That's called a "holy war" or a "crusade" where I'm from (Canada, yay!) Yes, that's what I mean, but it's the republicans voting the extremists in. Whether or not a guy like Kerry would do something like the Iraq war is silly. Of course he would, you don't actually think the president has anything to do with the country, do you? However, on the surface value the democrats are less extreme. Therefore it's like Chomsky says, if you're a red or blue state you just keep voting and if it's a swing state you simply just use common sense and vote for the guys who are less extreme. Unfortunaly, despite all that dumb surface stuff (things like that make me mad, it's like at that other site it was the same people fanatically arguing how Muslims don't worship God while at the same time thousands of Iraqi's die under their support) They don't see the big things, just the shallow charisma of a cowboy. Furthermore, in my opinion, the government is controlled from other places, like corporations and media and elite sponsorship (not to mention the fact that THOSE are sponsered by the very top elites) Not sure about Kharma, though I think it's in around the whole balance concept of an eye for an eye or yin/yang. Also perhaps the whole free will argument. It's not knowable, though things like retribution and kharma are very appealing when wrong doing has occured. They are present all through the old testement, the book the fundementalists regard more even than the new. THAT'S what needs to change, actually it's not even that we are abandoning the OT (a tragedy if) but we are not to take it so meaningfully for our day and age, we have to improvise. I don't think these people are capable of that, furthermore if they are, it's to be dynamic about furthering that way! (aka Karl Rove) I'm a jazz musician, so I improvise. You can probably tell it in my posts anyways, I never once thought of Karl Rove as an improviser but of course, he'd have to be! (but he only plays big band, not any others... ) Nah, this post is just my first one. There's no need to argue or be tough with anyone here because we all think the same kinda. This first post was nothing short of a hissy rant venting my feelings towards just having been kicked off a board that has hijacked the domain of what I'd like to call my religion too (though if they have the monopoly I suppose I'm screwed, eh? ) I really don't ultimately care if they get theirs or not, that's not up to me, it's up to God and if anything these are people that I am commanded to love, yet for the most part have nothing in common with and have to watch at the same time as they cause America to implode. WE here are the only people who aren't to be feared about most things. It's like the whole argument against homosexuals, I mean really, as if tomorrow there will be some magical astronomical rise in crime if gays are allowed to marry. Sheesh. Fritz Stein, a holocaust survivor turned psychologist thinks the Christian right bears STRIKING semblance to the Nazi german public. I'm sure you've heard that quote by Goering: "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." - from the Nuremburg trials Because in many ways that's what this is all about. However it's deeper. The dichotomy of left and right have been reattached and now the neoliberals and neocons are the same. They're doing the same things, want the same power, and are the reasons for why America is crumbling. See, that's just it, I really don't care. But God does. He cares about dead Iraqi's. We'd (they'd) have Him believe He only cares about 3000 dead New Englanders and American soldiers. I guess what I'm trying to say is that justice will be served if it is God's Will. Vengeance IS God's, not man's. That's...what their problem is all about... I'm just fed up with them, that's all. I give up... Not sure what you mean here, was it a typo to say "thing" not think? Um, furthermore, lol, you're wet? I see, des. Good luck with that Gaston :

You are right but I know that. This is the problem. It's not that she's mean or hateful or anything, but the policies she supports in both her religious views and government are causing harm to many people worldwide. Did she vote for Bush? Is she part of the Christian right? If so, she's unwittingly contributing to the furthering of wrongful actions by these Christians and is actually lumped in with them since they're doing things together like causing Bush to win again. We know what Bush's policies lead to. It has nothing to do necessarily with their demeanor. Gaston

Just to clarify that for anyone who thinks I'm being a little harsh, it's not ME who wishes harm on them, it's God's will if harm comes to them in His punishment. I personally don't think they really deserve it, only their deceivers do. But if God has put it in other's hearts to do His Will, who are we to question that? However I don't believe they need be harmed. But often terror is the only way to convince a bad person to stop doing things (aka stop American terrorism) And American terrorism is the worst kind because it's accepted. I think that's what God's upset about and so He will send judgement to America, unfortunately (though it looks like this time it's in the form of economic collapse) Peace, Gaston

No problem, I just was myself and was pushing the boundaries of fundementalist dogma. They didn't like that - apparently it's a threat to their distorted worldview. My girlfriend emailed the moderators for me (since I'm banned I can't even respond to them, the nice Christians that they are) and of course they haven't emailed me back. Anyways, these people like them, the Christian right and such are going down hard. They voted in Bush, so they're going to get what they deserve. They're going to pay for all the mischeif and hatred they cause in America. I wouldn't be surprised if they try and separate into another country and get destroyed. They've done it to themselves, unfortunately and God will punish them. I'm not Islamic here, but I actually think that God has put it in Muslims hearts to destroy these people. Hence things like september 11 and Iraqi insurgency. It won't end until they either repent or die. I'm not trying to scare anyone because ultimately they are our brothers and sisters and I will stick up for them even if they do not deserve it (no, they don't deserve it but Christ teaches to turn the other cheek and love your enemies, something these people will unfortunately have to learn the hard way) Peace, Gaston

Hello all, I'm new here, I'm a Christian Canadian and I have just been kicked out of a fundemental forum called christianity.com I'm not sure if anyone has visited there but it's still a cool site, the moderators are obviously the problem. I mean, how do you have Christian forum and expect to challenge the moderators if they are fundies and you are not? LOL, what a joke that was. Anyways, phew, I have found my home here now. Please accept me, I mean you all no harm and I'm fun!!! I'm just wondering if anyone would like to read my opinions on things? Gaston