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David Brubaker

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    consciousness studies, meditation, math and science, eclectic spirituality, outdoors, camping, hiking, photography, computer geekery
  1. I like the way you think, looking for a different explanation of the same phenomenon. Could the seemingly different descriptions of God, heaven, roles, and relationships actually be descriptions of different aspects of those rather than different kinds of those? Quite possibly so. My claim that they are different kinds depends on my observations of changing answers to what I call the big questions of spiritual life in successive stages of the Revelation story and the fact that those changing answers become more progressive as the story unfolds. However, I've also found that there are somet
  2. Hi, NORM. I grew up with fear of Revelation and doomsday and all that, and it wasn't even in a fundamentalist family. In fact, we went to a UCC church, although fifty years ago the UCC was nowhere nearly as progressive as it is today. Plus, it was in a very conservative area. So my experience was similar to yours but far less intense. When I started studying Revelation, I couldn't read more than one or two chapters at a time because the imagery was just too brutal. Fear was the main reason to study it and try to figure it out. As I began to question things--why the God of love would condem
  3. Here are some thoughts about Armageddon that you probably haven't heard elsewhere. The story of Armageddon and the name Armageddon occur only in Revelation in the Bible. There are two parts of the story. In the first part (Rev. 16:12-16), "unclean spirits" come out of the mouths of three satanic entities and call the whole world to battle at Armageddon. This is not yet the battle; it is only the call to battle. In the second part of the story (Rev. 19:11-21), the Word of God appears with a two-edged sword coming out of His mouth. All the armies are defeated by the two-edged sword.
  4. Thanks, Zaida. I'm not aware of anyone having noticed any of those contrasts between the two heavens before now. Soon (this weekend, I hope) I'll make another post with some more thought-provoking ideas, this time about Armageddon. Preview: It isn't even a real war, but it is about how God's truth overcomes the human institution of war.
  5. Thanks for the welcome, Harry. The book is available online, as an ebook and as a paperback. My signature has a link to my personal website, which has a description of the book, a free excerpt to download, and links to various online places which sell it. BTW, I just posted some introductory ideas about Revelation in the "Progressive Christianity" forum, with the subject "Two Kinds of Heaven in Revelation."
  6. The book of Revelation describes two scenes of heaven, one at the beginning of the story and the other at the end of the story. The two scenes of heaven are completely different, almost opposites of each other! Here are my thoughts about the differences and what they mean. The first heaven is in chapter 4. (Chapters 1-3 are introductory material. The main "action part" of the story starts in chapter 4.) The second heaven is in Rev 21:1-22:5. John of Patmos, the author of Revelation, calls the second heaven "new Jerusalem." Let's look at a few of the differences between the two heavens.
  7. Thanks for the welcome, Joseph. I will share some insights or bring up some points for discussion. I've been reluctant because I don't want to spam the board about my book. On the other hand, I've come to consider Revelation the most progressive and probably the most intellectually sophisticated book in the Bible and would love to get progressives to talk about it and counter the prevailing doomsday notions. I guess if I just bring up ideas or point out things that nobody else seems to have noticed, without talking specifically about my book, it wouldn't be spamming.
  8. Thanks for the welcome, Bill. BTW, I checked out your blog--good start.
  9. "Introduce Yourself!" seems like an appropriate place for my first post here at TCPC. I'm a Silicon Valley geek (technical writer, currently unemployed, and formerly a software engineer) and a life-long spiritual seeker. I have a BA in mathematics and an MA in consciousness studies. The MA is from John F. Kennedy University in California. It was a bit of a midlife adventure, to go back to grad school in my late 40s. My spiritual life is very eclectic. I sometimes joke that I belong to the Church-Temple-Ashram of Eclectic Syncretism--a real spiritual mongrel. I grew up in the old Ev
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