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Yes, that would jive with my observations also. Although, that will be better determined after the likely split occurs, and then we can see which group has the larger numbers. Bill

Though I at least partially agree with you on the border issue and maybe insurance, I really am amazed that you ask some of these things of Democrats. Some of the things you ask would require a sharp right turn by dedicated leftists. Though you will definetly get change, we will have to see if you actually like it. And are we expecting a Nancy Pelosi, famous for marching side by side with NAMBLA, to actually enforce our borders? When the people coming across will someday vote ( illegally or otherwise) for her party? And particularly good luck on that "make peace/Stand up to tyranny" thing. It will be interesting to see them actually make peace with those who have sworn to destroy us because of who we are. The same ones who consider all Jews monkeys and pigs. And the rest of us "infidels" not much better. Now they might surrender to them in order to enable the next, and even worse, 9-11. They will have the same success dealing with our enemies as Bill Clinton did, which got us from WTC bomb #1, to the various embacy bombings, Somalia, USS Cole and finally to 9-11. And in the middle of all of this, even nuclear weapons in North Korea. That really worked, negotiating with the North Koreans and taking their word that they would not develop nuclear weapons! The old soft loving approach didn't work then with any of America's enemies, and it won't work now. The Republicans were traitorous to the basic conservative principles that they got elected on. They deserved a good whipping in and they got it. UNFORTUNATELY, their only replacement was Democrats. The bad replaced by worse. But the country only seems to know two ways -- Republican or Democrat. Though there was originally some hope for supposedly conservative Republicans, it turns out both parties are toxic. Though I definitely consider the Democratic Party more toxic. It should be an interesting two years. And if the Democrats don't have a truly disastrous two years (highly likely), then probably Obama or Hillary will be president. So let's sit back and see the wonders that the Democrats can do for us. By the way, those of you with a median income, lets see if the Democrats reverse any tax cuts that would apply to median incomes, thus lowering the take-home pay of multiple millions. It's going to be an interesting two years! But hey! The Republicans went left once they were in office, and after many years of it were punished by conservatives who were disgusted with them. Maybe the Democrats actually will turn right once back in office! That's very hard to actually believe, but occasionally miracles do happen. Good luck Bill

In the past, I would have voted for Keyes for Pres if he could have gotten the nomination. Bill

You mean there is actually such a thing as a rabidly conservative Episcopalian? I might well be rabidly conservative, but it's hard to picture any of my Episcopalian friends/family or -- or any Episcopalians that I have ever met -- as being anything like me regarding beliefs about Jesus or the Bible. Bill

Hello folks, I'm just seeing this thread. I can tell by many of the comments regarding Southern Baptists that there is lot of tolerance and inclusion being demonstrated here! Plus I am sensing a completely nonjudgmental attitude towards them! It sounds like a real lovefest towards the Southern Baptist! LOL! ;-) But regarding the above quote, what about the poor adulterers and pedophiles? Are we going to exclude them from Communion and full acceptance in Bishop Schiori's (SP?) church, or anybody else's? Does the adulterer come by his/her urgings naturally, and is it a part of that person's divinely created identity? Or is it that a person can be a fully functional normal heterosexual one day, but then decides "I think I'm going to change into a pedophile" the next day? Thus up and changing their sexual orientation "because they didn't come by it naturally? Because it's not part of their "de-divinely created identity"? Or are they born with their evil desires the same way the homosexual is? If a homosexual has no choice in these matters of orientation, why do we assume the adulterer or pedophile does? Or do we? If God "made some of us to be attracted to people of the same gender", did he also design some of us to be sexually attracted to children, or perhaps just to have an uncontrollable desire for a large number of sexual partners other than our spouses? 2 Timothy 4 1In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (King James Version) 9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Timothy 2 11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Just some food for thought! Corinthian