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  1. I didn't mean to start a totally new topic on The Technician's welcoming post-thread. I got the capital 'T's mixed up and thought I was writing to The Technician instead of Thormas, and that The Technician was opening up his welcoming post-thread to this/these ideas. Sorry about that.
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  2. Good question. Probably because we don’t have much else in common.
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  3. To me, PC means a wide range of things to a wide range of people. Lately I've been thinking of myself as a pre-Constantinian Christian, (as well as a pre-canonization Christian). Just trying to get, or "tune into" the Spirits of JC, God/Higher Power/Great Spirit etc. , and what's called the Holy Spirit. Even according to the New Testament, that's what the first generations of Christians were doing. . . They didn't have a/the book.
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  4. PC is to me a path to faith where I get to hold on to the all inclusive values taught by my hippie parents while exploring God's love through humanity. Ours is not to judge or condemn. Ours is to explore and love. Many "legacy" systems of Christianity appose the message much of the Bible is trying to convey. PC is a way to merge faith with modern science, sociology and life experience. I think it is not what you believe, who to or where you pray, just that you have faith and a moral compass. I want to do good things and be a better person, so I take those lessons and apply them to my life in a
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  5. Non-Progressive Christian are not allowed post in the Progressive Christianity thread. Which is fair enough. Anyway this led me to clarify for myself, if no one else, Why I am not a Progressive Christian. Progressive Christians: Point 1: Believe that following the path and teachings of Jesus can lead to an awareness and experience of the Sacred and the Oneness and Unity of all life; Not sure I believe in the Sacred. The uppercase Oneness and Unity fill me with a little trepidation, I suspect it could be pointing to something that is not really there. I c
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  6. Greetings! My name is Miriam, and I have only recently come to reclaim the Christian label in my spiritual life. Coming from a more fundamentalist background, I have had to take time to reflect on my experiences of Christianity from a safe distance before re-engaging with organized religion. The writings of such authors as Rob Bell and John Shelby Spong have been a valuable support in that process. I am grateful to have recently found a local church group that accepts and supports me as an eclectic, progressive Christian, and I now hope to build on that experience by connecting to wider discus
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  7. Good evening, I am a Borg- and Spong-inspired justice-focused Christian. I was raised as a United Methodist and felt my faith gain traction and teeth upon discovering Marcus Borg, and also my aunt who is a leftist-Christian clergy! My hope for joining this space is to connect with other like minded people- especially if they are young-ish professionals who are now at home raising kids in a small community which is quite moderate-to-right leaning (although not fundamentalist!) now that's a tall order!
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  8. In the NT, it seems like the standard communication method is "feeling something in ones spirit", visions and dreams, though. Like f.e. Peter on the roof having the animal vision, or Paul seeing a vision of a Macedonian man asking him to come over etc. The quotes make my posts look much longer than they actually are I am dealing with a similar conflict myself. The God I know through experience and intuitions etc. seems to be much more of a peaceful, understanding and a nice guy than the God of the Bible, especially the OT one. On the other hand, es
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  9. I know the feeling Lani and I felt very much the same when I was going through my period of anxiety and depression (which coincided with my kids being about 2 & 4). My wife was also experiencing post natal depression and we didn't recognize it for that until she sought help. I know there can be a stigma associated with depression/anxiety but I would encourage you to consider talking to a professional if that might be a possibility. There's nothing wrong with that and both my wife and I found such a process exceptionally beneficial. I am not saying that is your predicament, but it could
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  10. To me, Progressive Christianity means applying the “new story” of science and anthropology to the myths and beliefs of traditional Christianity and thus opening the door to probe for a deeper meaning. It means looking beyond bible inerrancy and dualistic thinking to a more meaningful relationship with God who is always present and active in, with, and through all. Progressive Christianity, to me, means letting go of ideas of exclusivity, accepting that my faith is not the one and only truth. And, by learning of other faiths, enriching my own faith. Finally, it means being allowed to explore id
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  11. For me, Progressive Christianity provides me a paradigm for something I've been seeking all my life...a context, a framework, for constructing a personal religous/faith beliefs system within which I can work to bring that which is above down into that which is below, to make the outer consistent with the inner, to faciliate the doing of God's will on Earth as it is in Heaven. A most frustrating and painful irony for me has been that the very most basic underlying cause of me having rejected so much of the Christian religious traditions of the circumstances of my time and place of birth and
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  12. I have a pretty good theological library...but I haven't added anything significant to it for about a decade. Yeah, "slacker". That' me. Bottom line: I used to be current. Now I am not. So what's good that's new? And by "new" I mean within the last 5 years or so.
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  13. The separation of science and religion is a historical, political one, but has never been legitimate. Science isn't a system of beliefs, it is a method of gathering and examining information. Religion is basically the same thing, but a different method and sometimes different information, although sometimes very similar. Any good scientist who is honest with themselves knows that they deal in interpretations. I have found that people who believe science and religion to be oppositional have only a rudimentary knowledge of science or history or religion, or all three. Just
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  14. "Perhaps they are seeing something the media doesn't report? Perhaps free elections in the US are not as free as originally thought in schools or by past propaganda and many people are now realizing it?" Comments like this really do need some kind of evidence, rather than relying on hearsay and conspiracy theories. " i don't understand why Democrats are worried about a recount or challenges." I don't see how they are. The Georgia count, for instance, went through three recounts. Under a Republican official, Brad Rraffensberger, who'd voted for Trump and contributed financially
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  15. I'm amazed to see how this evolution deception is spreading throughout the churches today. Man in his quest to gain worldly knowledge is casting away the plain truth of God's Word and "thus saith the Lord" in favor of worldly wisdom. End times prophecy reveals we are living in the last days, so I suppose this kind of thing can be expected, as the Bible says: 2 Timothy 4:3. And what is sound doctrine?.... Hebrews 4:3. Genesis 2:1-2. Exodus 20:11 We get two clear truths from the above verses. 1. If you believe in evolution, then you have to believe that this world CONTINUES to ev
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  16. Forgiveness is the only way to rid yourself of resentment. It does nothing for the other, but everything for the self.
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  17. No. People are welcome to hold cynical and bigoted opinions against Christianity but this is not the place for attacks on other people’s faith beliefs. There is a huge difference between sharing one’s spiritual path and cynically vandalizing the spiritual path of others.
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  18. True but at times, hearing or reading the words of another (or interacting with another) can be a pleasant surprise or unsettling or even be experienced as a judgement (a mirror thrown up in front of you and you see yourself in a new light). So there is our own thinking but something can be introduced that gives us pause and adds or affect our thinking. I agree, we are taking or should be taking responsibility (and using our own thinking) to consider the new idea.
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  19. I think this is a great insight: sometimes such judgement is essential in the case of not only child abuse as you have shown but, for example, with bullying. We might not know why one abuses a child or why one is a bully - but we can definitely say, "No!" such actions are wrong.
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  20. There are about five active people left. We don’t even need more than one section. This board could easily be a group email. The last thing we need is bullying people through petty rules and ‘organization’.
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  21. In August 2016 … we (my wife and I) had fortieth wedding anniversary. There were forty or so people outside for a barbeque. I must admit I was well oiled. I was sitting next to Ann (Madeleine's Buddhistically inclined octogenarian guru). She's a really nice lady. Joseph would get on well with her. She was talking to two ladies, I did not know well, and explaining to them how they need the ability to be able to forgive themselves. I think the ladies were of a Christian persuasion. Anyway the conversation died down, and I knew Ann also did not believe in free will. So I quietly said to her
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  22. The apostles walk in on Jesus getting a massage and accuse him of hypocrisy. Jesus responds by explaining his time is short. The mention of the poor is not a sermon and should not be read as such. Personally I never leave the house without a few half-dollars, silver dollars and $2 bills and give to anyone who asks.
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  23. These are all great questions, Thomas. You ask these in response to... To answer your first question, this is not a hard statement to understand. Nowhere in Scripture do we find anyone having faith that did not first have the will of God revealed to them. This began in the Garden. God gave man His will for his life and Adam responded. I think the next questions will serve well to expand on the meaning of the statement. God is only immanent in those who have been born again, and this did not begin until Pentecost. And even for the Regenerate we see His intervention
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  24. [SLC000018] Sunday Service 15.09.2019 01. Introduction 00:57 02. The Lion and The Lamb 03:49 03. Notices 05:00 04. Guide Me O Thou Great Jehovah 02:51 05. Readings 06:12 06. Sermon 16:29 07. Prayer 05:01 08. As The Deer 03:27 09. Purify My Heart 04:15 10. You are Beautiful 03:40 11. You Give Life 04:04 credits released September 22, 2019 Speakers: Steve Morgan Reading: Cerys Hartley, Cled Morgan, Ken Hartley Vocals/Guitar: Alastair Cope Vocals: Amy Cope Songpro: Daniel Ames Recorded, Mixed and M
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  25. "I am glad you kept the author's name anonymous" You assume this was to obscure something because he/she was not credible and your statement begs for the author's name to repudiate this false claim. "You saved him a bunch of embarrassment." You not only assume or suggest the worse, you state clearly that the worse is that the author's position is an embarrassment. Seems my points are made. Materialism is the underlying assumption. And, you clearly state that a hypothesis is speculative and contains assumptions. Sure a hypothesis is tested but the underlying assumption is that mater
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  26. Let me begin with this disclaimer: I am an evangelical Christian for whom Christ's atoning death and resurrection are the anchor of my faith. But at their best, the verifications inherent in ADCs (=After-Death Contacts) and NDEs (near-death experiences) seem more evidentially probative even than the evidence for Jesus' resurrection and, in my experience of evangelistic witnessing, are far more effective than any Bible-based apologetics. To demonstrate why I will share some of the most mind-blowing evidential NDEs and ADCs I have encountered, including some of the most convincing which have not
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  27. My sense is that the bible is a literary collection of songs, poems,stories and history written by a faithful people. The concept of sin had very little meaning for me for much of my life mostly, I think, due to how it is used in many churches as an sword to keep followers in line. I always bothered me because I see some good coming out of forgiveness of sins if it is handled properly. People need to know that they can be forgiven for the mistakes they make. My current thinking on sin is that sins are nothing more than counterproductive mistakes humans make. and Original Sin is humans ten
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  28. In the western theology view, God is real but not bound by time. God acts sequentially, but the space between segments is not determinable.
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  29. One of the Lindau gospels.
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  30. That was the point ... even today people like Spong are taken as atheists as they do not have a literal belief. Did Spong and others start off with a literal belief? Is this metaphorical interpretation a post hoc belief? Was it for you? Personally I never had a literal Christian belief. Yes we all are to some degree indoctrinated in our beliefs ... I cannot choose to be a Buddhist at least not in this moment. But because of the new insights and better education fewer people have this desire for faith. It is difficult to be indoctrinated into faith when those around you are fa
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  31. In the interest of full disclosure, I was one of the ones who, a few years back, did not care for the 8-Points removing God-language from their tenets, and I said so. My thinking at the time was, "God was at the center of Jesus' life and teachings, so how can we remove something Jesus believed in and experienced, and still call ourselves Christians?" My thinking has changed since then. It will, no doubt, continue to do so. So I reserve the right to change my mind. Nevertheless: All words are human words. None of them are divine, as such, at least not in the way that most religions
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  32. I don't know :+}
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  33. When conscious contact is continual, repetitive and unchanging perception turns off. An orienting/analytical response is only useful in changing circumstances. Live near train tracks or an airport and after a short time they will not wake you at night. People to habituate to the presence of God in the same way. It takes an active effort to avoid that habituation. Some people have God running through their thoughts like a Montana coal train and deny God even exists.
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  34. I will only do this once because I consider this space somewhat sacred and don't want it to become political. Student driver? The excuse of a teenager not a grown man: if you run for our highest office, if you have a transition team, if you can bring in all manner of experts to educate you and/or help run things - that is the responsibility. You now 'own' it and the country depends on you, no students allowed. No excuse. We are getting out of Syria? We will see as we have a new red line: we bombed once, we now have to bomb every time that line is crossed. However, the trade agreemen
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  35. I will never have one. [/tongue cheek] Overall not terribly in favour of them, but then bringing an unwanted child into this world is not doing anyone any favours. Essentially it is complicated. I ultimately would side with, it is mother's choice (free or not). Forcing my choice on to another person ultimately will not lead to the sort of world I would want. Some might argue abortion forces a choice on the unborn, but there the unborn is barely sentient. We force choices upon the unconsummated all the time and for the clear majority it is not a problem.
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  36. Not to derail this thread further (for many people are blessed by Lectionary readings and study), but I think you make a great point, Paul, about the state of the world and Christianity's role in helping our world. For far too long, IMO, Christianity has embedded itself in the sin/savior myth that posits that the world is broken, in sin, and that the only remedy is for God and/or Jesus to save it through either forgiveness or destruction (in order to create another world). This myth teaches that we can do little to nothing to help our current state except to plead to God to come rescue us. The
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  37. Yes, I think this is an important, maybe the most important, feature of Progressive Christianity. George
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