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You assume I missed your point - I believe I didn't.

Even with the explanations you asked for - you don't assume something 'more' exists because you don't believe 'it' does.  

 

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A place for words 

  • Sanctify - ?

When used in the sense of internal sanctification I have no idea.

 

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9 hours ago, romansh said:

A place for words 

  • Sanctify - ?

When used in the sense of internal sanctification I have no idea.

 

The concept of sanctity is to establish a condition of purity with the intention that God may find it suitable for purpose.

Internal sanctification is a part of most spiritual development paths.  The person practices removing impure thoughts and actions and a godly spiritual life results.  It the practice of spiritual development by a method parallel to learning piano.  One plays scales, then simple tunes, learns to sight read and becomes more proficient until it is an integrated skill where one can sing, play and read music simultaneously.

It is part effort, part talent, part teaching and part method.  Few become great but all who persist improve.  Some become distracted or lazy and quit learning to play nothing but the radio or become passive pew sitters.

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This phrase I always have trouble with

  • The Ground of Being:    Being monistically inclined I can't but help but read this phrase as the universe or multiverse if we are inclined that way.

Any one else?

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  • Illusion:   something is not as it seems.
  • delusion:  believing something is as it seems when it is not.

Should there be any future confusion as to how I use these words.

Ground of being anyone ... seems to come up fairly frequently?

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ground of being - The substrate of being

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1 hour ago, JosephM said:

ground of being - The substrate of being

I could go with that. For you, is this substrate part of the universe or is it one? Is being existence?

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For me, it is part of everything. seen and unseen . It is difficult to describe except to say it can be experienced as a feeling described as  home without location , peace and the perception of oneness (or non-separation) with it.  Is being  existence ? ..... perhaps one could say being encompasses existence but i am neither a philosopher or  scientist nor master of words to say.

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Being encompasses existence, or is its substrate. Although we are not bound by definitions, I did recheck and substrate is defined as the surface or material on or from which an organism lives, grows, or obtains its nourishment.

It, for me, is reminiscent of Paul's take on God: in whom we live, move and have our being.

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On ‎5‎/‎19‎/‎2018 at 7:38 AM, thormas said:

Being encompasses existence, or is its substrate.

So Being is more than its substrate. Again what is this more? Do influence this more?

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Actually I don't like or typically use the word substrate as it suggests an underlying 'material' and that is not how I see Being. I also rarely use ground of being but am more use to this one. I have used both to try to accommodate the use by others.

So, we have been over this, but Being is not a thing among other things, not an object among objects it is not a supreme being among other beings - rather it is the very possibility of all that is: it is absolute and necessary whereas creation is contingent and dependent. Again, this has been discussed previously but if you follow through on your book review of one of the books you asked me to suggest (Macquarie or Hart) and I think Hart, being more contemporary, is the best choice, you will see.

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OK So Being is more than existence. Again what is this more? What influences this more?

36 minutes ago, thormas said:

rather it is the very possibility of all that is

What does this mean?

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Hi Joseph … thank you for your clarification on the spiritual

  • While the word to me is a bit abstract perhaps one could say to be Spiritual  is to awaken to the discovery of our spirit, our connection to all things, the Oneness that is the substrate of all there is and to strive to stay attentive to what it is speaking. that we may operate in harmony with it. Not the same thing as the common understanding of being religious.

While I get this "interconnectivity" and philosophically I am pretty close to monism. I might quibble about "harmony" as this must be illusion bordering on delusion. Also if we take "religion" to be re-connect (re-ligare), this too fits. The question is reconnect to what? For me in non-fancy-language it would be to regain our understanding that all is connected.

No need for gods, One, Being, Love, IS.

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5 hours ago, romansh said:

While I get this "interconnectivity" and philosophically I am pretty close to monism. I might quibble about "harmony" as this must be illusion bordering on delusion. Also if we take "religion" to be re-connect (re-ligare), this too fits. The question is reconnect to what? For me in non-fancy-language it would be to regain our understanding that all is connected.

No need for gods, One, Being, Love, IS.

I'm pretty much sitting in this camp too, Rom.  It seems a lot of talk about spirituality, Gods, kingdoms, oneness etc - it all just brings us back to the same point and it's really not rocket science - We all come from the same stardust - that is our commonality and our connection.  Now get on with living.

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5 hours ago, PaulS said:

it's really not rocket science

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Well it's a bit more complicated than that, but not much. Whether we see existence as some megalithic causality or we can have the ability to parse it a bit … does not matter.  We will get on with life one way or another.

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