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  1. As Burl points out in his above post, a pure literal interpretation such as a day being 24 hours could even by the writings in the NT Bible indicate this is not to be taken literally. To discount science because of a literal interpretation of the Bible seems to me to be as inappropriate as discounting the Bible as an inspirational; book because of science.
  2. Burl, I don't think i can agree with that. (The decline in Christian church attendance numbers follows Western churches adopting progressive theologies) In the US Southern Baptists are down to the lowest in 30 years and they are not in my view progressive in the least. Catholics in the US are also on the decline.. https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2019/may/southern-baptists-acp-membership-baptism-decline-2018.html However i do agree that especially Pentacostal/charismatic churches in predominately undeveloped countries is on the rise. Sometimes education gets in the way of people's belief in the gifts of the spirit and miracles. Hence more of it is seen in those undeveloped nations. I personally believe in both the gifts of the spirit and miracles. In my view, sometimes reason and faith are at odds with each other.
  3. Burl, Thanks for the thread. I didn't mean any offence . I guess i was just being honest and justifying my response of Trump as an answer. Probably shouldn't be in debate as it is more of a fun thing.
  4. I think Americans are getting better educated and questioning past norms that are part of the programming of the mainline organized churches. People here are better educated and just don't buy all the doctrine and dogma. Undeveloped countries may be on the increase for opposite reasons as they are more primitive and willing to accept what they are told by missionaries. That may be a step forward from their more primitive beliefs. I realize that is just a generalization but i think their is some merit in the reasoning.
  5. Yes Rom, That threw me off also.
  6. Oh... We are talking about the Bible ..... King Saul
  7. Probably Donald Trump ? National leader, 3 beautiful wives, eats fast foods, divorced 1st wife (and second), retaliates on his enemies. If this is unrelated to pc or theology discussions i will move it to the Cafe. I'll wait and see.
  8. Thanks Burl, In a different section of the main organization they include this note which is important but was left off the original page you referenced. Paul found it and copied in another related thread in another forum here. It reads.... "Notes: We’ve heard you and in our many conversations with our readership, Progressive Christian pastors, theologians, scholars, visionaries, and in our observations and studies, we have co-created this updated version of our 8 Points of Progressive Christianity. Progressive Christianity is inherently always evolving and progressing. Please take these lightly but seriously. They are not dogma, they are simply a starting point to establish conversations and a foundation of values and beliefs that we have observed Progressive Christians generally share. It’s ok if you don’t agree with all the words or all the parts. We support your authentic path. You can use these in your faith communities and with family and friends to talk about what it means to you to be a Progressive Christian in today’s world. Here is to always progressing!" ... and can be found here ---> https://progressivechristianity.org/the-8-points/
  9. Thanks Paul, I missed that note when reading them. Thanks for posting as it needs to be said for proper context.
  10. I would agree with that. It is in my view a stepping stone. Some may even bypass it entirely. (point 2)
  11. Thanks for the clarification Burl.
  12. Burl, No bullying here. Note it says in my view. He has expressed his opinion and i have expressed mine. No offense is meant. Pipiripi is not a newbie to forums. He is well read in the Bible i can assure you of that. I have done my research. He has bordered on attacking Thormas in a couple posts * and i am not attacking him but rather suggesting that his post is filled with dogma and doctrine of the church system and, in my view, there are what i consider false premises that prevent one from breaking free of that dogma and doctrine . There is no requirement for him to do so or change his faith.. * http://tcpc.ipbhost.com/topic/4544-im-done-with-church/?do=findComment&comment=52539 * http://tcpc.ipbhost.com/topic/4544-im-done-with-church/?do=findComment&comment=52551
  13. I have zero problems with your wording and would fit in nicely. I also have no problems with the 8 points as worded. You seem to me to be too picky but that is your right and just my opinion. No offense meant.
  14. Yes they are required to in California to cast all 55 votes to the popular vote winner along with 28 other states with that requirement. Others states follow precedent . The electorates are from their party and not bound but it is possible but rare that they would turn on their own party. Republicans and Democrats have their own electorate. If a Democrat wins popular vote only the Democratic electorate vote. But yes it is possible in certain states for him to cross over, just not very likely since they are chosen by the corresponding party. I was once chosen as an electorate in KY but never voted because my candidate did not win. I was chosen by the candidate because i was a major donor in the party and they trusted me. Yes the popular vote in that state is the basis for electing the president through the layer of a winning party electorate. Hope that helps
  15. Pipiripi, For a conventional Christian to become free of such dogma and doctrine, in my view, 5 false premises of the fundamental or conventional church system must be overcome. Listed by order of importance. 1. The Bible is the Word of God 2. Jesus is God 3. The Rapture 4. Sin is sin 5. Heaven or Hell Since i am a site sponsor i would recommend this book which i authored and put the link for it here. I think it would be a great eye opener for you. It follows the writings of the Bible very closely to expose these false premises. Click here ---------> https://www.amazon.com/Throwing-Away-God-Joseph-Mattioli/dp/1553696832/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0&link_code=hom&tag=14kcharfromindej Joseph
  16. Sorry. Not alone. No guilt here.
  17. With the exception of a couple states the electorate must cast their votes per the majority of people in each state. The electoral college is not a place , it is a layer/ process
  18. “Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we react to it.”– Dennis P. Kimbro
  19. Pipiripi, It is clear from your beliefs at your site that you are at odds at the least with point 2 of the 8 points. You are not to post in this particular Progressive Christianity forum. You are welcome to post in all other forums as long as you are within its posted guidelines JosephM (as Admin)
  20. The American people did elect him. The electoral college is called for in the Constitution of this Republic because the framers of our Republic wanted this extra layer, rather than just providing for the direct election of the president as in pure democracies. Most of the nation’s founders were actually rather afraid of democracy. James Madison worried about what he called “factions,” which he defined as groups of citizens who have a common interest in some proposal that would either violate the rights of other citizens or would harm the nation as a whole. the Electoral College does make it possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and still not become president. But that is less a product of the Electoral College (a process, not a place) and more a product of the way states apportion electors. In every state but Maine and Nebraska, electors are awarded on a winner-take-all basis. So if a candidate wins a state by even a narrow margin, he or she wins all of the state’s electoral votes. This helps insure that a larger sections of states is treated more fairly. ie Red went to Trump by popular vote - Blue to Hillary Many people might think we are a democracy here but that is not accurate. We are a Republic. So far, a very successful Republic and while not perfect and with its problems it works well enough that people keep coming and most here still think its the greatest country in the world to live in.
  21. I agree she did a disservice to her party with that action on national TV. I believe if you look at the video when he handed the speech to them, as is customary, he didn't shake either her hand or Mike Pence, his vice president's hand. If he shook Mike's hand and not hers that might be considered rude. Also do you expect him to shake a persons hand that just impeached you, that hates your guts, and now has vowed to continue investigating and try to impeach him again? Democrats have been investigating and threatening to impeach him from the moment he was elected. Have faith in the American people and if they don't want 4 more years of him they won't vote for him.
  22. I call that nit-picking which is acceptable here but fails to arouse my interest or move me to even respond to each of your fault findings. Perhaps you could write the 8 points to your liking and post them here to see if others might prefer or have interest in them?
  23. There is a hate between them. In fact you will find that people either love or hate Trump. He is not a politician and many people seem to love it. He's working in a swamp here where lip service has ruled for decades. He is holding up pretty good with the majority of News agencies being biased against him. In fact the Republican party didn't want him at first. He makes them cringe with what comes out of his mouth. He simply doesn't care what the media or democrats think. He is doing what he feels his supporters elected him for. He speaks whats on his mind like a regular person rather than trying to be presidential and use well chosen words. November will tell if the people like it or not. Based on the majority of news agencies negative reports on him you would think he doesn;'t have a chance winning in November. I think otherwise. Did you watch Nancy stand up at the end and tear his speech up on national TV?
  24. I admit it seems that way but a man doesn't start to look for these new words until he becomes disappointed with the old in himself. He perceives the absence of uncertainty in the other or a hope of more certainty and peace perceived in the other else he would not even look. It is unhappiness or emptiness in oneself (in my opinion) that moves one on from CC and the new words one hears are a hope/promise that the words will change that. IMO words themselves carry no such power with a content person.
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