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JosephM

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  1. I think you have answered your own question quite well.
  2. In my view, Your body is an energy field. One does not need words or to be fluent in religion or concepts to be awake to Being. The joy of living comes from Being and needs no understanding nor need for questions. Joseph
  3. Thomas, I, like you, also can be seen as a panentheist and don't see demons as being in opposition to God or as other powers in a war against God. In my view, demons can be seen as perhaps what we might consider as negative energy fields not unlike the conditioned field we consider our physical body and mind but vibrating at a frequency that is not physically perceived by your physical eyes to be considered a normal conditioned human. This is not a traditional understanding but i have personally perceived such in the spirit so to speak. In my experience most people are asleep to their ground of being and merely acting out their conditioning here. To that person or persons their brain and unconsciousness make them more susceptible to this demonic influence or negative energy field that you don't see with your eyes but can be perceived as if seen. If people are more conscious of their ground of being they would have a 'higher' level of consciousness at least at that point in time, that negates a personal influence of negativity and allow them the power or faith to raise the frequency surrounding themselves and others to repel demons. I have both seen and experienced this. Joseph
  4. JosephM

    Whaddup

    Greetings Derek, Came through the same traditional path and found it also a very painful but rewarding journey. It is good to hear you fellowship in peace with other religions. I think study of each will reveal many commonalities even though the words may be different. Sounds like you are very open-minded and have set great goals for yourself. May you find much joy and peace in your quest and welcome to our Progressive Christianity forum. Joseph
  5. Yes, it is possible. While i do not understand it I have been around long enough to see things that might suggest such.
  6. It would be interesting to share your story here how and when you had your first God experience.that you recognized as such. You may also include events that you previously did not recognize as such at the time. No debate, disagreement, questioning validity or criticism allowed, just sharing of your story. Any takers? It seems to me it would be interesting reading. Joseph
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    Your first God experience

    I can certainly now understand that. Does Music or Art affect you similarly to the beauty and intricacy of nature?
  8. Anyone interested in a book discussion of "The Power of Now , A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment" by Eckhart Tolle? It contains an introduction and 10 Chapters and we could discuss 1 chapter a week over a 10 week period. "You are here to enable the divine purpose of the universe to unfold. That is how important you are!" ---Eckhart Tolle
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    The Power of Now - By Eckhart Tolle

    It would appear or seem that way but it is something else itself that is watching the mind. It is a subtle difference and Tolle holds the view that the mind is not an entity. The mind is a tool that the real entity has attached itself to.in this state of evolution and therefore takes it on or identifies the mind as itself. That which is still and beyond thought is what Tolle speaks of as the witness. Perhaps it is pointed to as no-mind in Buddhism and Spirit in Christianity or possibly Atman in Hinduism? Anyway, your point is well taken from a skeptical point of view. It cannot be understood with the mind but seems to me it can only be experienced. It is quite the conundrum
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    Your first God experience

    My first experience was as a small child and such that i could not put words to it other than to say that when words came to be a part of my life I could only describe the experience as pure water flowing in perfect harmony and peace and in stillness with a sense of home. This gradually faded away into an ebtide of ripples that was then experienced as life in the flesh which i recall was neither home nor desireable after such an experience. After a normal Catholic childhood devoid of further experience and disillusioned by answers from the church along with my brother i left the Catholic church at age 14 never to return except for weddings and funerals. I was given a book written by Norman Vincent Peale called "The Power of Positive Thinking" at about the age of 17 which changed my life drastically. My life was filled with goals all of which were satisfied and filled by the age of 33 as if i had a silver spoon in my mouth. Yet i found myself empty inside and depressed in spite of such success in obtaining all the material goals i had set for myself. This started a desperate inward hunger and search for meaning in my life that was beyond the material world which i had found lacked true peace and contentment. Looking to the Bible and a non-denominational full Gospel church, I became highly focused on the quest as if my life depended on it. I was determined to find that which I had one experienced as a child but had for so long evaded me. I did not find it in the church system but rather driving over a bridge over the Ohio river having gone as far as i could on my own power with no success when a realization came to me that the cloud blocking my realization of God was at that time unforgiveness in my heart of a particular person. That instant , i made the decision that it was not worth holding on to such a thing and i willfully let it go and immediately experienced that Home and a knowing that God was always present , not separate from myself. The only thing preventing that realization at that time was that unforgiveness i was holding on to. From that moment forward my life was filled with that presence and miracles and experiences that defy any logical explanations in my mind. When I should have died for my errors I lived, when I deserved failure for my mistakes i prospered. Why?, i cannot say except that happens to be my part in the miracle of the dance we call life. My word view of the experience of God in my life comes closest to the word Pantheism or Panentheism yet both words still fail to convey that which they point to. Words help to communicate to others but even before there were any words there was knowing. As a child before words or word thoughts i knew . Words were not necessary. Today i want to share this yet even without words or language or a thought i want to share this. In my view, that unction to share existed before the thought and without words . May everyone find Home and rest from their journey and their portion ( whatever that is ) of the dance we call life.
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    Your first God experience

    Thanks for sharing Thomas. I can really relate to your words "I had a sense of God and felt God was and was always with me (and everyone). " Perhaps that "sense of God" can be considered an experience of God whether it was momentary or ongoing? Thanks again for sharing. Joseph
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    The Power of Now - By Eckhart Tolle

    That is an interesting observation Paul. However, I don't think he is advocating to use your mind other than in problem solving as necessary to carry on with everyday life. Rather i see his emphasis on watching the mind and its effects on emotions and our actions. When it is done on a regular basis there becomes increasing gaps in thoughts and an identity shift into who you really are rather than mind identification of who you are which he puts the name ego to. At that point one realizes or rather knows that the mind is only a tool and a minicule part of who or what you really are. To me, Living in the moment is being present / awareness more than using the mind or being lost (unconsciously following your thought patterns) in your compulsive thoughts. At least that is my take on his meaning and my own personal experience. Anyway, regardless of interpretation , anything benefial or that brings more peace in ones life that comes from any teachings in my view is positive and worth pursuing. Joseph
  13. Jack, If we are judged by our darkest moments, i am of the opinion we would all be condemned . I personally choose to see others in the light knowing that we all have had moments we do not wish to be attached to. If "our worse moments defines how bad we are" as you have put it, then what use is their for faith, hope or love? Jack, perhaps you did not mean it as it came across because one of the great teachings of Jesus that helps set a person free (in my opinion) is "Judge not that ye be not judged" " For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again." I prefer to focus on the good in people yet be not unwise to the potential of darkness. I have also found myself being reminded that if i were the other person in every way perhaps i wouild be no different. 🤨
  14. That may be true. Yet it would serve no beneficial purpose to a debate here to resort to such accusations. It would only be inflammatory in my view. Thanks for clarifying that your use of the word was not directed to Paul. Joseph
  15. In my view it is just a belief someone has chosen or been influenced to believe from their conditioned life. I would neither call it rational, irrational, or delusional. Nor would i base it on the understanding "we" (whatever or whomever that refers to) have on the way the universe ticks today. The words rational and irrational and delusional are in my view highly subjective at best. My 2 cents, Joseph
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    CIA whitepaper on consciousness

    Paul, Creation is or isn't. If creation is then reason logically dictitaes creator. What that creator is we might fail miserably at defining.as i said before. But there is sufficient proof that in creation we see a relationship in cause/effect to reason thusly. We do not know how this intelligent life came into being (first cause) but that doesn't disqualify reason from the existence of a source or substrate we can logically refer to as God because we lack an understanding of how such a presence was created in the first place.. We can simply say that which is unmanifest may simply be without cause as a plausible explanation at this time since that which is unmanifest is most likely not subject to the same laws as creation. As a software engineer, there is much which i created myself in my experience that is subject to the programming/laws that i gave it , yet i myself am not subject myself to that same programming/laws, whether they be cause and effect of my programming. This reasoning may not fit into your logic or what you consider proof but by no means is such reasoning abandoned by even scientists that may be more knowledgeable than yourself. Just because a full understanding may be lacking, reasoning and logic are not necessarily negated in the matter. Scientists these days may be less religious than the average person, but just over half of scientists (Click here---> surveyed in 2009 ) said they believed in some sort of deity or higher power.
  17. Definitions are all man made words with many definitions changed over time according to the whims of those in control. Yes, there seems to be things in common even as there can be found some similar definitive terms among religions with those referred to as cults. To me, the words "generally accepted " says little about delusional and fact as I believe history suggests. I think beliefs are simply beliefs and delusional just a convenient word for those who want to put people in boxes. What does it matter what you call a jihadist ISIS member? The definition changes nothing . People simply operate primarily around the level of consciousness they have evolved to. One could say, for a myriad of reasons people operate around conscious levels we might call or define as shame, guilt , apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger , pride, all the way up to reason, love, joy and peace and everything in between. Society sets its own standards and understandably so. If you don't fit the mold society has deemed beneficial to society you will be tagged with a definition and bagged in some way. That's life in the big city. 😊 That my 2 cents. Joseph
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    CIA whitepaper on consciousness

    One can choose to believe there is no creator , designer or higher intelligence behind the universe in which we live and say everything came into being by itself or by chance. Or one can reason by that which is manifested before us including the wonder of mankind, all we see, the uniform laws of nature, mathematics, physics, the programming of DNA, our knowledge of cause and effect relationships that there is a source of all this that is responsible for its existence and sustaining it in its present form of being. What that source or substrate is we may fail miserably at defining but creation itself is the proof. And we call this mystery God. Science is an amazing, wonderful undertaking: it teaches us about life, the world and the universe. But it has not revealed to us why the universe came into existence nor what preceded its birth in the Big Bang. Biological evolution has not brought us the slightest understanding of how the first living organisms emerged from inanimate matter on this planet and how the advanced eukaryotic cells—the highly structured building blocks of advanced life forms—ever emerged from simpler organisms. Neither does it explain one of the greatest mysteries of science: how did consciousness arise in living things? -- AMIR D. ACZEL Science cannot disprove God and Fundamental Christianity has failed by its defining of God with characteristics of men. We can come to a belief God exists through reason but then religion often asks the person to abandon reason from that point and accept by faith the teachings of men. In my view and experience, reason and logic need not be abandoned but transcendence is necessary to go beyond the limitations of reason and this is done by looking within instead of without where God can be known but not explained.
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    The Power of Now - By Eckhart Tolle

    I don't think he is saying there is no past or future per se. I believe he is saying that only NOW exists and to live almost exclusively through memory (past) or anticipation (the non-existent future) " creates an endless preoccupation with past and future and an unwillingness to acknowledge the present moment and allow it to be." He says the past gives us an identity and the future holds the promise of fulfillment which he speaks of as an illusion. To me the future is always hypothetical and has no real existence. He speaks of " the eternal present as the space within which your whole life unfolds." The past happened in the NOW and the future will happen in the NOW. It is okay to consider the past but you must do it in the NOW. When you think about the future you do it NOW. Its hard to grasp mentally but there is a subtle but important difference when you allow your mind to live in the past or non-existent future versus being present in the NOW and reflecting in the past or planning for the future NOW. Observing your mind and thoughts i believe will reveal the difference.
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    CIA whitepaper on consciousness

    I see it in a landfill 😄
  21. JosephM

    CIA whitepaper on consciousness

    I agree, I don't think i used the word fact but rather the words " in my experience ". To me it is true but that in no way makes it a fact to you or another. I understand that.
  22. JosephM

    The Power of Now - By Eckhart Tolle

    Burl, Granted his teachings doesn't discuss other theories to compare. Rather he seems to me to present practical things we can try and test for ourselves. I happen to prefer that. If one tries what he is advocating and it doesn't work or seem to provide any benefit then i can understand your negativity concerning his writings. For me i have found nothing yet that he has said that i have not experienced as a benefit for myself. That's just my opinion and personal experience. I'm not basing my opinion on his sales of over 5 million copies or just that i have heard of many people who claim to benefit from his teachings. All one can ask is to read it with an open mind and try his practical advice and see if their is any benefit. Conditioned thinking might resist doing so. Joseph
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    CIA whitepaper on consciousness

    Fair enough. I hold to my view because for me it is reality from my own experience and i respect your right to require more proof or experience it for yourself. Though i have presented some data of others in my posts my view is not dependent on that data. For me it is real. The majority of the scientific community may disagree but that certainly is not the last word and the majority have often been wrong in the past. Perhaps they will change their mind in the future as more studies are done. A level of skepticism is after all healthy in my view.
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    CIA whitepaper on consciousness

    Actually the other was a skeptic that participated and they both agreed that statistically remote viewing had statistical proof. The problem is it is subjectively experienced so it is not an exact science but i went over the military results in the CIA papers myself and they were obviously more than coincidence to me and i think any open minded mathematician. I think you would agree there is something there if you looked at the drawings and notes and setup of each experiment. Some higher ups were against the study from the start and call it inconclusive, lucky guesses or quackery but the results far exceeded the likely chance of guessing what was being viewed. Enough so it is still used in crime solving along with individuals claiming ESP with some amazing results that have been verified. There was a time when the world is round/oval was unverifiable yet it was still reality. Therefor how can one call something not reality just because it has not yet been verified to the satisfaction of others?
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    The Power of Now - By Eckhart Tolle

    Skype. I don't think he is saying ignore the thinking if you read the whole first 2 Chapters. He seems to be saying to witness them as much as you can rather than ignore them. Doing so removes their power over you by reidentification with your deeper self, the observer of thinking. He isn't talking about the thinking we use to solve problems but rather the incessant thoughts that arise from our conditioning. At least that is my take on his words.
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