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  1. JosephM

    First Principles

    Yes. And I would be in agreement that excessive use of the behavior of self-justification is not really conducive to self-preservation despite its assumed intention by the mind that it is.
  2. JosephM

    First Principles

    Warranted or justified to me is just an illusion of the mind. Our emotions are a mental state associated with thoughts, feelings or behavioral responses. There is no real need for justification or to consider them warranted or not though admittedly most are considered by many to be a natural responses to stimuli . We all seem to have an inherent need to be justified, warranted in our actions, or vindicated or proven right. It seems to me, if we are truly aware of the subjectivity inherent in knowing anything we would not create a narrative about the world that reflects our beliefs about the kind of person we are and assign to this narrative a β€˜truth’ which does not, in fact, exist. Self-justification is a portrayal of the mind and despite it assumed intentions , is not interested in truth but rather self-preservation. So goes my 2 cents
  3. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

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  4. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    Well, all we have to go by in writing is what is recorded as Jesus saying and the writing you mentioned stopped short of the versus afterwards where he shows the wine as symbolism. Mathew 26:28, Mark 14:24, Luke 22:20 and then read John 5:53. I think if you are reasonable you will see symbolism in all 4 Gospels for that event. Also Jesus used a large number of parables in the Gospels that proves that Jesus used a lot of symbolism by speaking in Parables especially when describing the kingdom of God / Heaven. Perhaps that will be more convincing to you if you read them all. PS Symbolism has been a big part of the Bible even since OT times.... https://www.compellingtruth.org/biblical-symbolism.html I think you will find this link compelling to my point
  5. JosephM

    First Principles

    There may have been an event before the emotion but that was not the cause. As i said The 'cause' of anything is always the same. It is the totality of all that exists now or ever has existed.ο»Ώ In that case, our joy or pride are neither warranted or not warranted. It either is there or not based on the totality at that moment. It will be different of course for different people based on their myriad of experience, genetic , the universe, etc. etc . In summary we play a part in insulting, hurting, etc but the event/part that we attribute as cause is not the real cause. The consequence requires both a victim of the hurt and a obliging perpetrator yet the perpetrator is not the cause of anything. He/She is merely part of the balance or sequence or dance of the universe that is unfolding. It is very possible that we are in a sense complex interconnected automations.
  6. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    Of course it was symbolism, why else would he have said to them before he drank it 'for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." The wine symbolized his blood, blood symbolizes life force. It seems to me, Literalism when reading the Bible can be a real hindrance to understanding. I think it might help to speak to some Jews for yourself to find out what they really believe. This WIKI might help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_in_Judaism
  7. No postcard but .... While the word to me is a bit abstract perhaps one could say to be Spiritual is to awaken to the discovery of our spirit, our connection to all things, the Oneness that is the substrate of all there is and to strive to stay attentive to what it is speaking. that we may operate in harmony with it. Not the same thing as the common understanding of being religious. My 2 cents as usual, Joseph
  8. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    Paul, Well, I guess i'll pass as you and scholars seem to give more weight to the literal rather than Spirit which is understandable to me.. While i agree the majority took him as speaking of a physical kingdom even as Nicodemus did, who was a teacher himself, it is my view Jesus meant no such literal thing. He knew the flesh was temporal, flesh and Spirit were different, and that there was no imminent literal end of the world as he instructed his disciples to pray.... "thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven" ... And he knew heaven is not a physical place else it would not be eternal/forever. He came not to take them out of the world but rather to show the way to the Kingdom of God within them while still in the physical body, that is why there were some standing there that would see the kingdom and the coming of "Christ" before their physical death. One can drink wine with Christ even now when one sees the life behind the symbolism of wine as Jesus explained to his disciples while sharing it with them. I see the prophecy as already come and coming true to each in their own order but as usual it seems to me, many miss spiritual things because, in my view, they dwell more in the mind of fleshly things as is common to all men that are born of flesh. So, your argument is historically and intellectually logical to me but in my view neglects the context of the Spiritual man named Jesus and his mission as i understand it from reading the NT for myself and personal experience.
  9. JosephM

    First Principles

    That's because there is no difference. I wasn't disputing , just giving my 2 cents and answering your question.
  10. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    If you read it in the context of his words, the clouds of heaven in the language it is written, heaven is an elevated state as the abode of God not a physical place especially since God is a Spirit. The coming comes like the flashing of lightning, It's quick and easy to miss. He says as you wrote, So too will it be when the Son of man is revealed. His coming is a revealing (revelation or uncovering) of the Son of man, not a physical appearance. All the above descriptions you mention taken literally as physical would border on the ridiculous. Clouds are a covering. Angels are messengers. There is no huge furnace of fire, it represents the destroying of the old man and the beginning of the new. The old remains present and dies daily but the new creature is drawn into this kingdom (which in the Book of Revelations is called New Jerusalem) His words are spiritual words not literal. They are like symbols in a dream that have meaning. Nicodemus couldn't understand how a man could be born again. Jesus response is important to understanding. That which is spirit is spirit and that which is flesh is flesh. My words they are spirit and they are truth. All he said has to be taken in that context. To me, the fig on the tree has to be ripe, you are that fig. When the time is right, no writing will be necessary to see the kingdom that is clearly here on earth now and is found within yourself.
  11. JosephM

    First Principles

    Never said there was a lack of cause just that there wasn't a "this " causing a "that" as our mind commonly attributes it. I meant as i said illusion (not as it seems) not delusion. Consequences are indeed real, it is the "cause" that is inaccurately mentated as a mere "this" causing a "that". ( The stepping in front of the bus causing the death ) The 'cause' of anything is always the same. It is the totality of all that exists now or ever has existed. Hope that answers your question
  12. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    Just for kicks Paul, Name a few of the gospel writings in either Matthew, Mark, Luke or John that would lead you to believe Jesus was talking about a physical kingdom. I would like to address them. Lets leave out what others thought he meant and stick to what Jesus is actually recorded saying. For starters there are 32 occurances of the kingdom of Heaven in Mathew and i find none that indicate he was talking of a physical kingdom even though others may have thought so because many could not perceive it otherwise. PS Jesus's most basic message at the start of his recorded ministry was "Repent ye , for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" (eggizo) Note present tense of verb "is" instead of will be. Eggizo (at hand) from the word Eggus literally means near of place and position or those who are near access to God. Jesus makes it plain later that God is a Spirit (no body)
  13. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    Paul, Those instances to me are the take of other men. It seems to me Jesus knew better. I agree with you it is most likely impossible to know what Jesus really said. But , it is not impossible to experience the spiritual kingdom he pointed to and the physical kingdom is a no brainer. I think we both see with our physical eyes it doesn't exist. My conclusion is if he truly was an enlightened being then those other places you speak of, he never said as they are not verifiable at least to me.
  14. JosephM

    First Principles

    The 'cause' of anything is always the same. It is the totality of all that exists now or ever has existed. To the mind it is not unreasonable to use logic and observation. Yet the conclusion remains hypothetical supposition even from the observable. Possibly not a coincidence at all as mentation or dualistic thinking can see it no other way. Yes, Thank you for the sympathy. πŸ™‚ I would agree there is no "thou shalt". Limited choice and consequences to those choices is satisfactory to me. Thanks for your take on my two cents.
  15. JosephM

    The Purpose of Life

    On the contrary, I am almost certain from study that our historical understanding is most seriously flawed. Society writes history and there is a certain uncertainty with all of history as one can easily see just from history itself whether it be American history or ancient history. Besides, we were speaking of a spiritual matter according to the words of Jesus as historically in the Bible he makes clear in numerous places that his words are spirit and they are truth and that his kingdom is not of this world. πŸ™‚
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