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  1. The original Heathens! Topic was lost in the last software upgrade.
  2. Heathens! 2

    Preacher's daughter :-)
  3. This Week's Lectionary

    October 15, 2017 Matthew 22:1-14 The Message (MSG) The Story of the Wedding Banquet 22 1-3 Jesus responded by telling still more stories. “God’s kingdom,” he said, “is like a king who threw a wedding banquet for his son. He sent out servants to call in all the invited guests. And they wouldn’t come! 4 “He sent out another round of servants, instructing them to tell the guests, ‘Look, everything is on the table, the prime rib is ready for carving. Come to the feast!’ 5-7 “They only shrugged their shoulders and went off, one to weed his garden, another to work in his shop. The rest, with nothing better to do, beat up on the messengers and then killed them. The king was outraged and sent his soldiers to destroy those thugs and level their city. 8-10 “Then he told his servants, ‘We have a wedding banquet all prepared but no guests. The ones I invited weren’t up to it. Go out into the busiest intersections in town and invite anyone you find to the banquet.’ The servants went out on the streets and rounded up everyone they laid eyes on, good and bad, regardless. And so the banquet was on—every place filled. 11-13 “When the king entered and looked over the scene, he spotted a man who wasn’t properly dressed. He said to him, ‘Friend, how dare you come in here looking like that!’ The man was speechless. Then the king told his servants, ‘Get him out of here—fast. Tie him up and ship him to hell. And make sure he doesn’t get back in.’ 14 “That’s what I mean when I say, ‘Many get invited; only a few make it.’”
  4. The lectionary is a collection of important Bible verses. They are arranged one per Sunday in a three year rotating cycle. Many pastors use this use this as inspiration for their sermons. This way people are exposed to a well-rounded subsample from Scripture. For this week: Hebrews 13:1-8, 15-16 13:1 Let mutual love continue. 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. 13:3 Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled; for God will judge fornicators and adulterers. 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money, and be content with what you have; for he has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you." 13:6 So we can say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can anyone do to me?" 13:7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke the word of God to you; consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 13:15 Through him, then, let us continually offer a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that confess his name. 13:16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
  5. Christian Art

    Puts me in mind of Buddhist sand mandalas. Craftsmanship as both a statement of faith and a prayer tool.
  6. The Black Madonnas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna d
  7. Christian Art

    One of the Lindau gospels.
  8. Heathens! 2

    Definitely French poodles for the Avignon papacy. But don't leave us Protestants out. Henry VIII English bulldog, Martin Luther German Shepherd, a pair of Greater Swiss Mountain dogs for Calvin and Zwingli . . .
  9. Heathens! 2

    No, it's just evidence that an intellectual understanding of Christianity is not required. I have preached to the mentally retarded and the psychotic, and guarantee you that intellectual elitism is a bigger spiritual stumbling block than either of those disabilities.
  10. This Week's Lectionary

    October 8, 2017 Matthew 21:33-46 The Message (MSG) The Story of the Greedy Farmhands 33-34 “Here’s another story. Listen closely. There was once a man, a wealthy farmer, who planted a vineyard. He fenced it, dug a winepress, put up a watchtower, then turned it over to the farmhands and went off on a trip. When it was time to harvest the grapes, he sent his servants back to collect his profits. 35-37 “The farmhands grabbed the first servant and beat him up. The next one they murdered. They threw stones at the third but he got away. The owner tried again, sending more servants. They got the same treatment. The owner was at the end of his rope. He decided to send his son. ‘Surely,’ he thought, ‘they will respect my son.’ 38-39 “But when the farmhands saw the son arrive, they rubbed their hands in greed. ‘This is the heir! Let’s kill him and have it all for ourselves.’ They grabbed him, threw him out, and killed him. 40 “Now, when the owner of the vineyard arrives home from his trip, what do you think he will do to the farmhands?” 41 “He’ll kill them—a rotten bunch, and good riddance,” they answered. “Then he’ll assign the vineyard to farmhands who will hand over the profits when it’s time.” 42-44 Jesus said, “Right—and you can read it for yourselves in your Bibles: The stone the masons threw out is now the cornerstone. This is God’s work; we rub our eyes, we can hardly believe it! “This is the way it is with you. God’s kingdom will be taken back from you and handed over to a people who will live out a kingdom life. Whoever stumbles on this Stone gets shattered; whoever the Stone falls on gets smashed.” 45-46 When the religious leaders heard this story, they knew it was aimed at them. They wanted to arrest Jesus and put him in jail, but, intimidated by public opinion, they held back. Most people held him to be a prophet of God.
  11. I was going to comment on the value of precise speech, but the house across from me is getting a new shingle job after Irma. The roofers are listening to Norteño music, and have started playing percussion with their nail guns and I'm smiling so hard I can't think.
  12. Yes, God created magnetism, the earth, moon and sun. All physics and biology and natural laws long before there were people to even have a community so God = community seems to be a non-starter. In Exodus there is a phrase translated as "God filled the tabernacle". In other places, the bible uses the same verb to describe a soldier enlisting as "filling a shield" and another use which escapes me right now (see notes on the Shöcken Bible, an interesting translation of the Pentateuch which concentrates on retaining the poetic aspects of the Hebrew). Instead of reading this as container language, the phrase may be better translated as God taking up the Israelites for His purpose. God taking up community as a functioning tool to effect salvation.
  13. Past and future communities? Animals, planets and magnetism? I think panentheism posits community exists within God, but community is not God. To say community is God is like saying birds are air or fish are water or a kitchen is a house.
  14. Yes. I would describe it as a method of organization that includes a way to organize things which unexpected or unknowable.
  15. Two commandments - love God; love others - is not reasonable if God is community. If God was not seperate from humanity two commandments would be unnecessary. This conception of God seems based on conventionally Christianity, but cuts out anything that requires serious contemplation or deeper thought. Reminds me of a kid who only wants to eat the beef in the beef stew and picks everything else out without realizing those bits he rejects are what gave the meat the flavor he enjoys.
  16. Peterson is interesting in that he spends so much time thinking out loud. One can see him forming new connections while he talks.
  17. First in a series of public lectures on this topic by a Jungian psychologist. Not theology, but how the Bible expresses universal human themes and archetypes. If you like Joseph Campbell's wonderful work on mythology this should be right up your alley.
  18. Decline of Christianity in the West

    One reason for the decline of Christianity is the sin of egoism. People simply believe what they want to and ignore posted warning signs.
  19. Decline of Christianity in the West

    I must ask you, Bill, why are you so insistent on propounding on what you do NOT believe instead of what you DO believe? What is to be gained by insulting my beliefs with your low information understanding of Christianity? If you are sincerely interested in my beliefs I am happy to educate you, but insulting my beliefs insults me personally. I imagine there are a thousand and one things you do NOT believe. Please change to what you DO believe. That is what is interesting.
  20. Decline of Christianity in the West

    Islam does a more thorough and poetic version of the Trinity in the 99 names of Allah. I especially like the way the number 99 avoids the closure of an even hundred. http://www.islamicity.org/5855/99-names-of-allah/
  21. Decline of Christianity in the West

    There are not any people in the Trinity, much less three. The Greek word used in the doctrine is personas, which refer to a theatrical masks or an actor's roles. The Trinity are of the same ousious, or substance which is used in the Aristotelian logical sense of substantia. This argument of "the church splitting God into three different people" is simply not factual. I agree that the church typically does not explain it well. One must really go after the subject understand it or be left with the low info Sunday School version. The three personas expressed by God all share the same divine will, but each persona appropriates certain primary attributes. All attributes are shared by all personas, but the aspect of omniscience is primarily attributed to the Father, wisdom to the Son and love to the Holy Spirit.
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