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  1. The original Heathens! Topic was lost in the last software upgrade.
  2. This Week's Lectionary

    Dec. 10, 2017 Mark 1:1-8The Message (MSG) John the Baptizer 1 1-3 The good news of Jesus Christ—the Message!—begins here, following to the letter the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. Watch closely: I’m sending my preacher ahead of you; He’ll make the road smooth for you. Thunder in the desert! Prepare for God’s arrival! Make the road smooth and straight! 4-6 John the Baptizer appeared in the wild, preaching a baptism of life-change that leads to forgiveness of sins. People thronged to him from Judea and Jerusalem and, as they confessed their sins, were baptized by him in the Jordan River into a changed life. John wore a camel-hair habit, tied at the waist with a leather belt. He ate locusts and wild field honey. 7-8 As he preached he said, “The real action comes next: The star in this drama, to whom I’m a mere stagehand, will change your life. I’m baptizing you here in the river, turning your old life in for a kingdom life. His baptism—a holy baptism by the Holy Spirit—will change you from the inside out.”
  3. The lectionary is a collection of important Bible verses. They are arranged one per Sunday in a three year rotating cycle. Many pastors use this use this as inspiration for their sermons. This way people are exposed to a well-rounded subsample from Scripture. For this week: Hebrews 13:1-8, 15-16 13:1 Let mutual love continue. 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. 13:3 Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled; for God will judge fornicators and adulterers. 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money, and be content with what you have; for he has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you." 13:6 So we can say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can anyone do to me?" 13:7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke the word of God to you; consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 13:15 Through him, then, let us continually offer a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that confess his name. 13:16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
  4. This Week's Lectionary

    Dec. 3, 2017 Mark 13:24-37The Message (MSG) 24-25 “Following those hard times, Sun will fade out, moon cloud over, Stars fall out of the sky, cosmic powers tremble. 26-27 “And then they’ll see the Son of Man enter in grand style, his Arrival filling the sky—no one will miss it! He’ll dispatch the angels; they will pull in the chosen from the four winds, from pole to pole. 28-31 “Take a lesson from the fig tree. From the moment you notice its buds form, the merest hint of green, you know summer’s just around the corner. And so it is with you. When you see all these things, you know he is at the door. Don’t take this lightly. I’m not just saying this for some future generation, but for this one, too—these things will happen. Sky and earth will wear out; my words won’t wear out. 32-37 “But the exact day and hour? No one knows that, not even heaven’s angels, not even the Son. Only the Father. So keep a sharp lookout, for you don’t know the timetable. It’s like a man who takes a trip, leaving home and putting his servants in charge, each assigned a task, and commanding the gatekeeper to stand watch. So, stay at your post, watching. You have no idea when the homeowner is returning, whether evening, midnight, cockcrow, or morning. You don’t want him showing up unannounced, with you asleep on the job. I say it to you, and I’m saying it to all: Stay at your post. Keep watch.”
  5. Was Paul gay?

    Israel took that attitude in the Bible several times and it always failed. Read the ending of Judges, a book which documents the gradual degeneration and dissolution of the Hebrew government. A history better remembered than repeated
  6. Was Paul gay?

    There is more evidence of alien abductions and the yowie than of Paul's sexuality. An absurd and intellectually null subject, and probably the one most responsible for the marginalization of Spong's better ideas.
  7. Was Paul gay?

    What I am saying is that the social constructs "gay" and "homosexual" did not exist in biblical times as we know them today. Same sex sex was a socially acceptable behavior in Roman, Mithraic and Hellenic cultures. Male/female couples engaged in this behavior. Male/male sex between adults and pederast/catamite relationships between men and boys were also socially normative. Ignoring this is, by definition, ignorance. I use this word specifically and not as a general purjurotive. The idea of arguing for Paul 'not being gay' is absurd. It is a "when did you stop beating your wife question". Claims and speculations require evidence, and extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You are the required to support your statement, and you have nothing except completely unfounded guesswork. Jesus criticized both fornication and adultery. Same sex relations fit within this range of behaviors, but Jesus did not mention it specifically. Paul touches on same sex relations as an examplar a couple times but never compares different types of sexual sins either.
  8. Was Paul gay?

    Same sex relationships were an accepted part of biblical era Roman and Greek culture. Gay and homosexual are contemporary concepts which did not seem to exist in 1C society. Scholarship, not ignorant speculation, is what we need.
  9. Was Paul gay?

    "No male or female". "God is love". Paul recommended not marrying unless one had a overriding compulsion for sex. I know little about sexuality in the biblical period except a few factoids. Male/male sex in Hellenic culture was often a pederast/catamite relationship between boys and men which echoed the pervasive patron/servant power dynamic. There was also strong competition between the Christians and the all male cult of Mithras favored by the Roman military. In any event, biblical sexuality was certainly not conceptualized the way we see it today in 21C. In Romans 1, Paul describes homosexuality not as a sin but as the natural consequence of denying God but I have yet to hear anyone preach on this passage accurately. One cannot understand such a nuanced and individual characteristic by oversimplifying it into the intellectual 20C ghettoes of identity politics.
  10. Was Paul gay?

    If I had to I would guess Paul was asexual.
  11. Was Paul gay?

    I do not assume Paul was heterosexual. There is no evidence of that either. Show me evidence Paul was a choir director and I will reconsider your wild guess.
  12. This Week's Lectionary

    Nov 26, 2017 Matthew 25:31-46The Message (MSG) The Sheep and the Goats 31-33 “When he finally arrives, blazing in beauty and all his angels with him, the Son of Man will take his place on his glorious throne. Then all the nations will be arranged before him and he will sort the people out, much as a shepherd sorts out sheep and goats, putting sheep to his right and goats to his left. 34-36 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Enter, you who are blessed by my Father! Take what’s coming to you in this kingdom. It’s been ready for you since the world’s foundation. And here’s why: I was hungry and you fed me, I was thirsty and you gave me a drink, I was homeless and you gave me a room, I was shivering and you gave me clothes, I was sick and you stopped to visit, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37-40 “Then those ‘sheep’ are going to say, ‘Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry and feed you, thirsty and give you a drink? And when did we ever see you sick or in prison and come to you?’ Then the King will say, ‘I’m telling the solemn truth: Whenever you did one of these things to someone overlooked or ignored, that was me—you did it to me.’ 41-43 “Then he will turn to the ‘goats,’ the ones on his left, and say, ‘Get out, worthless goats! You’re good for nothing but the fires of hell. And why? Because— I was hungry and you gave me no meal, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was homeless and you gave me no bed, I was shivering and you gave me no clothes, Sick and in prison, and you never visited.’ 44 “Then those ‘goats’ are going to say, ‘Master, what are you talking about? When did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or homeless or shivering or sick or in prison and didn’t help?’ 45 “He will answer them, ‘I’m telling the solemn truth: Whenever you failed to do one of these things to someone who was being overlooked or ignored, that was me—you failed to do it to me.’ 46 “Then those ‘goats’ will be herded to their eternal doom, but the ‘sheep’ to their eternal reward.”
  13. Was Paul gay?

    I don't care about speculating about Paul's sexuality. I could not even define sexuality in the NT period using 21C concepts. If you do not believe the basis of your speculation is factual this cannot be a productive conversation.
  14. Was Paul gay?

    Pleased to know you accept the writings of Paul as factual. That's definitely a good thing. Lenses affect our vision, but starting with a conclusion then sifting for evidence is not using different lenses. It is looking through wrong end of the telescope. “The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose. An evil soul producing holy witness Is like a villain with a smiling cheek, A goodly apple rotten at the heart. O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!” ― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice
  15. Your claim, so use your evidence. I never made any claims about Paul but you did. Your supposition must be based on something you believe to be factual otherwise it is pure fantasy.
  16. Your complete lack of evidence is noted.
  17. Absurd. No evidence whatsoever, unless one counts the appearance of rainbows and unicorns in the KJV. What evidence is there? I know you do not believe the Bible to be evidentiary, so this idea must come from extrabiblical sources I am unfamiliar with.
  18. Paul's homosexuality?
  19. Here there has been a steady move to "progress" by endorsing pedophilia and bestiality. Do not be surprised if "Tie me wallaby down, boys" moves from the hit parade to an alternative lifestyle. Strailian women tell me there are plenty of wallabys on the dating scene already ;-)
  20. This Week's Lectionary

    November 19, 2017 Matthew 25:14-30The Message (MSG) The Story About Investment 14-18 “It’s also like a man going off on an extended trip. He called his servants together and delegated responsibilities. To one he gave five thousand dollars, to another two thousand, to a third one thousand, depending on their abilities. Then he left. Right off, the first servant went to work and doubled his master’s investment. The second did the same. But the man with the single thousand dug a hole and carefully buried his master’s money. 19-21 “After a long absence, the master of those three servants came back and settled up with them. The one given five thousand dollars showed him how he had doubled his investment. His master commended him: ‘Good work! You did your job well. From now on be my partner.’ 22-23 “The servant with the two thousand showed how he also had doubled his master’s investment. His master commended him: ‘Good work! You did your job well. From now on be my partner.’ 24-25 “The servant given one thousand said, ‘Master, I know you have high standards and hate careless ways, that you demand the best and make no allowances for error. I was afraid I might disappoint you, so I found a good hiding place and secured your money. Here it is, safe and sound down to the last cent.’ 26-27 “The master was furious. ‘That’s a terrible way to live! It’s criminal to live cautiously like that! If you knew I was after the best, why did you do less than the least? The least you could have done would have been to invest the sum with the bankers, where at least I would have gotten a little interest. 28-30 “‘Take the thousand and give it to the one who risked the most. And get rid of this “play-it-safe” who won’t go out on a limb. Throw him out into utter darkness.’
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