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  1. I can no longer reply to this thread. I get a popup wanting a login to stthomas.edu.
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    Christian art thread

    It appears that is the server this site is hosted on.
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    Christian art thread

    I'm on iOS. Pops up a need to validate name and pw on personal.stthomas.edu
  4. The Black Madonnas. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Madonna d
  5. My Christian art thread is humbugged so this goes here for now. Scroll through. The entire feed is a single work. https://mobile.twitter.com/gawanmac/status/984865835566141440
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    Free Will

    I think the underlying impetus of will is motivation. This includes inter alia biological, social, spiritual and psychological drive states. I would not use the verb cause, as not all motivation has a cause. Motivation is inherent in the organism. It is relatively active or inactive. The primary characteristic of motivational states is that they arise spontaneously by deprivation, and become inactive when satiated.
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    This Week's Lectionary

    April 14, 2018 Luke 24:13-35 The Message (MSG) The Road to Emmaus 13-16 That same day two of them were walking to the village Emmaus, about seven miles out of Jerusalem. They were deep in conversation, going over all these things that had happened. In the middle of their talk and questions, Jesus came up and walked along with them. But they were not able to recognize who he was. 17-18 He asked, “What’s this you’re discussing so intently as you walk along?” They just stood there, long-faced, like they had lost their best friend. Then one of them, his name was Cleopas, said, “Are you the only one in Jerusalem who hasn’t heard what’s happened during the last few days?” 19-24 He said, “What has happened?” They said, “The things that happened to Jesus the Nazarene. He was a man of God, a prophet, dynamic in work and word, blessed by both God and all the people. Then our high priests and leaders betrayed him, got him sentenced to death, and crucified him. And we had our hopes up that he was the One, the One about to deliver Israel. And it is now the third day since it happened. But now some of our women have completely confused us. Early this morning they were at the tomb and couldn’t find his body. They came back with the story that they had seen a vision of angels who said he was alive. Some of our friends went off to the tomb to check and found it empty just as the women said, but they didn’t see Jesus.” 25-27 Then he said to them, “So thick-headed! So slow-hearted! Why can’t you simply believe all that the prophets said? Don’t you see that these things had to happen, that the Messiah had to suffer and only then enter into his glory?” Then he started at the beginning, with the Books of Moses, and went on through all the Prophets, pointing out everything in the Scriptures that referred to him. 28-31 They came to the edge of the village where they were headed. He acted as if he were going on but they pressed him: “Stay and have supper with us. It’s nearly evening; the day is done.” So he went in with them. And here is what happened: He sat down at the table with them. Taking the bread, he blessed and broke and gave it to them. At that moment, open-eyed, wide-eyed, they recognized him. And then he disappeared. 32 Back and forth they talked. “Didn’t we feel on fire as he conversed with us on the road, as he opened up the Scriptures for us?” A Ghost Doesn’t Have Muscle and Bone 33-34 They didn’t waste a minute. They were up and on their way back to Jerusalem. They found the Eleven and their friends gathered together, talking away: “It’s really happened! The Master has been raised up—Simon saw him!” 35 Then the two went over everything that happened on the road and how they recognized him when he broke the bread.
  8. The lectionary is a collection of important Bible verses. They are arranged one per Sunday in a three year rotating cycle. Many pastors use this use this as inspiration for their sermons. This way people are exposed to a well-rounded subsample from Scripture. For this week: Hebrews 13:1-8, 15-16 13:1 Let mutual love continue. 13:2 Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it. 13:3 Remember those who are in prison, as though you were in prison with them; those who are being tortured, as though you yourselves were being tortured. 13:4 Let marriage be held in honor by all, and let the marriage bed be kept undefiled; for God will judge fornicators and adulterers. 13:5 Keep your lives free from the love of money, and be content with what you have; for he has said, "I will never leave you or forsake you." 13:6 So we can say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can anyone do to me?" 13:7 Remember your leaders, those who spoke the word of God to you; consider the outcome of their way of life, and imitate their faith. 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. 13:15 Through him, then, let us continually offer a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that confess his name. 13:16 Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.
  9. The original Heathens! Topic was lost in the last software upgrade.
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    Heathens! 2

    Heathens! Caption Contest
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    This Week's Lectionary

    April 8, 2018 John 20:19-21 The Message (MSG) To Believe 19-20 Later on that day, the disciples had gathered together, but, fearful of the Jews, had locked all the doors in the house. Jesus entered, stood among them, and said, “Peace to you.” Then he showed them his hands and side. 20-21 The disciples, seeing the Master with their own eyes, were exuberant. Jesus repeated his greeting: “Peace to you. Just as the Father sent me, I send you.”
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    Free Will

    I will not answer another question or continue my basic psychology class until you reciprocate. If you ask a question, you should also respond to a question. When someone makes a thoughtful and informative post, they should get a thoughtful and informative answer. Simply asking questions without answering any or failing to provide any positive support for your position is not a mutually beneficial conversation. The one-sidedness must stop.
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    Free Will

    You are repeating yourself and adding nothing to the conversation. i answered your question in detail. It is now your turn to answer questions and put forth positive support of your position.
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    Free Will

    I did that. You ignored it. The way you chose your wife was not determined entirely by chemistry and physics. The way you felt when you first saw your child's eyes was not determined entirely by chemistry and physics. i do not believe you can dispute this evidence.
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    Free Will

    Tell me about how you decided who to marry, Rom. Identify the causes and effects. How about how you felt the first time you looked into your child's eyes? Identify all the explicit causes and effects which impassionately created that feeling. The big problem is that limiting everything to cause & effect is only a rationalization or an excuse but not an explanation. It makes one big garbage can called cause and effect and claims everything can be jammed into that garbage can. Kind of tidy, but it explains only the obvious and dismsses all the delightful aspects of humanity we are interested in. Causes and effects are so prolific it is impossible to define all the relevant causes and effects, much less all the interactions between them. Divine revlation is a cause. So is motivation, temperment, personality, instinct, archetype, imitation, talent, imagination, belief, faith, revelation, love, resentment, beauty pleasure, suffering, pain, fear . . . Claiming all is cause and effect is not a valid theory because it cannot be proven and is at best only a null hypothesis. Absence of evidence is never evidence of absence. Limiting all examination of life to cause and effect is just a psychological defense mechanism (rationalization, intellectualzation) which allows one to escape the anxiety of accepting that there is no understandable way to explain the complexities of human behavior.
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    Free Will

    This unnuanced, procrustean thinking is 40 years out of date, Rom. It is an intellectual dead end proven useful in training animals and the mentally retarded but not much else. Mankind is not independent of chemistry and physics, but not completely dependent upon them either. Cognition is a major mediator of how people contextualize, interpret and react. This is the basis of psychotherapy, which is a rather huge body of evidence.
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    Free Will

    Viktor Frankl worked out his philosophy in a concentration camp. He did not oversimplify and say everything is the result of cause and effect. He observed how his fellow prisoner's attitude influenced their suffering. He realized human cognition is far too complex to exclude everything but cause and effect. Even in the no choice concentration camp situation people could always choose their reaction.
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    Free Will

    One has free will in choosing attitudes, intentions and viewpoint/perspective. Frankl is the arguably the most well known philosopher on this. What one does may or may not be determined, but there is definitely free will in the cognitive processes surrounding the action.
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    My evolving journey

    Don't stop at joy, peace and contentment. Add curiosity, intuition, repentance, accuracy, self esteem, intelligence, charisma, longsuffering plus much, much more (order now! Operators are standing by!).
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    Ignosticism

    The concept of sanctity is to establish a condition of purity with the intention that God may find it suitable for purpose. Internal sanctification is a part of most spiritual development paths. The person practices removing impure thoughts and actions and a godly spiritual life results. It the practice of spiritual development by a method parallel to learning piano. One plays scales, then simple tunes, learns to sight read and becomes more proficient until it is an integrated skill where one can sing, play and read music simultaneously. It is part effort, part talent, part teaching and part method. Few become great but all who persist improve. Some become distracted or lazy and quit learning to play nothing but the radio or become passive pew sitters.
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    This Week's Lectionary

    Easter Sunday, 2018 John 20:1-18 The Message (MSG) Resurrection! 20 1-2 Early in the morning on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone was moved away from the entrance. She ran at once to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, breathlessly panting, “They took the Master from the tomb. We don’t know where they’ve put him.” 3-10 Peter and the other disciple left immediately for the tomb. They ran, neck and neck. The other disciple got to the tomb first, outrunning Peter. Stooping to look in, he saw the pieces of linen cloth lying there, but he didn’t go in. Simon Peter arrived after him, entered the tomb, observed the linen cloths lying there, and the kerchief used to cover his head not lying with the linen cloths but separate, neatly folded by itself. Then the other disciple, the one who had gotten there first, went into the tomb, took one look at the evidence, and believed. No one yet knew from the Scripture that he had to rise from the dead. The disciples then went back home. 11-13 But Mary stood outside the tomb weeping. As she wept, she knelt to look into the tomb and saw two angels sitting there, dressed in white, one at the head, the other at the foot of where Jesus’ body had been laid. They said to her, “Woman, why do you weep?” 13-14 “They took my Master,” she said, “and I don’t know where they put him.” After she said this, she turned away and saw Jesus standing there. But she didn’t recognize him. 15 Jesus spoke to her, “Woman, why do you weep? Who are you looking for?” She, thinking that he was the gardener, said, “Mister, if you took him, tell me where you put him so I can care for him.” 16 Jesus said, “Mary.” Turning to face him, she said in Hebrew, “Rabboni!” meaning “Teacher!” 17 Jesus said, “Don’t cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, ‘I ascend to my Father and your Father, my God and your God.’” 18 Mary Magdalene went, telling the news to the disciples: “I saw the Master!” And she told them everything he said to her.
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