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    Woodworking & photography. Care for the aged, intellectually handicapped, homeless and the emotionally disturbed. Comparative religion, esp. Islam.

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  1. Theistic is not a modifier, it is part of the word. Panen-THEISTIC. A specific type of theism. I think most religions are prophetic revolutions, not gradualist evolutions. Akenaton, Buddha, Muhummad, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus - all were severe deviations from the status quo. I do not know of a henotheistic religion. I think somebody made that one up for a dissertation. Demons, Bodhisatvas, angels &c should not be classed with gods. They refer to non-material, but god created beings. As for the mosquitos, they suck. Thank God for autumn.
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    Honestly, the Progressive Christianity site content is unrelated to this small group. Now that Bishop Spong is no longer active I don't see the movement developing critical mass. I suggest continuing your personal journey and not getting too deep into those points.
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    Commonalities are expected. The interesting parts are found when teasing out the differences.
  4. Panentheism is a belief that we exist completely within the theistic God. Like fish which exist within water. The existence of other created beings is not henotheistic. I'm not sure henotheism ever actually existed. It seems to be a wiggle word employed when people want to guess that monotheism developed out of polytheism. I can't say I know the reason God created the seen world. The reason for creating mosquitos is something I find particularly troublesome.
  5. Acts 17:26-28 English Standard Version (ESV) 26 And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, 27 that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, 28 for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; Expand into Paul's analogy of us as parts of the body of Christ. Reduce to our existence as a system of individual but connected cells and biological microflora. It's entertaining when you become more literal in interpretation than me . You know God's purpose for creating the seen world?
  6. I am a panentheist (the NT biblical theism) who believes in God's heavenly council, demons, angels, Nephilim, witches, ghosts, succubui, ifrit, djinn and other created material and non-material lifeforms. I do not necessarily accept the folkloric evidence as veridical, but that is the most efficient way to discuss these things. The diversity of life on earth demonstrates God's love of variety, and I don't see why the unseen realm should be less complex.
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    I like small groups. There is a section with personal essays somewhere. They put in new software and I'm not sure where it ended up.
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    Welcome, Derek!
  9. A psychiatrist who has treated demonic posession: https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/01/as-a-psychiatrist-i-diagnose-mental-illness-and-sometimes-demonic-possession/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.21ff8fd7cc5
  10. You are conflating disbelief (which is fine; insufficient evidence) with a firmly held belief in the impossibility of anything which contradicts your personal dogma. Always leave room for the fact that your personal dogma may be incorrect, and that it too may be grounded in insufficient evidence. Particularly if it consists mainly of your own thoughts. BTW, I had my wife repeat this account to me just before I posted it so I could be sure the details were correct. This event occurred.
  11. The OP was not do you believe, but do you believe it is possible. With extensive eyewitness reports throughout history, one must be either retain an open mind or positively disprove the reports. Evidence stands unless positively disproven, but conclusions do not need to be drawn. My wife and her coworker personally witnessed an apparent demonic possession of a child on night shift in a hospital. A 5 yr old white girl from an athiest family was about 5 days into an evaluation for epilepsy. She would scream and beat herself in the head during seizures. The girl reported an imaginary friend named Sam who was small, dressed in a suit, smelled bad and always had dirt on his face. Sam wanted the girl to go 'home' with him, Sam's home being a hole in the ground. My wife and her co-worker prayed over her one night and the girl's 5 yr voice dropped into a deep male register and cursed them out, then began speaking in Latin. My wife has taken three years of Latin but could only identify the language. The girl relaxed, fell asleep and was discharged two days later.
  12. These things are real, but I think it takes a saint to not give up when it gets this bad. This is mostly inexplicable by psychology or psychiatry. You will find many people who will make vague, dismissive excuses for why these things did not happen, but never an elucidated explanation. Challenging these reports requires a positive disproof. They cannot be simply waived off because the auditor is uncomfortable or ignorant of the subject matter. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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    Your first God experience

    Sometimes, but weaker and definitely not my first expeience. I think the proof from beauty is better used as evidence of non-material reality.
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    Your first God experience

    My first experience with God was marveling at the beauty and intricacy of nature.