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  1. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    The interesting question is whether humanity is evolving towards God. It is worth consideration.
  2. https://mobile.twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/975734637761835008?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frelevantmagazine.com%2Fgod%2Ftim-keller-posted-interesting-thoughts-evolution%2F&tfw_creator=relevant&tfw_site=relevan Good comments.
  3. This Week's Lectionary

    March 18, 2018 John 12:20-40 The Message (MSG) A Grain of Wheat Must Die 20-21 There were some Greeks in town who had come up to worship at the Feast. They approached Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee: “Sir, we want to see Jesus. Can you help us?” 22-23 Philip went and told Andrew. Andrew and Philip together told Jesus. Jesus answered, “Time’s up. The time has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24-25 “Listen carefully: Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you’ll have it forever, real and eternal. 26 “If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me. Then you’ll be where I am, ready to serve at a moment’s notice. The Father will honor and reward anyone who serves me. 27-28 “Right now I am storm-tossed. And what am I going to say? ‘Father, get me out of this’? No, this is why I came in the first place. I’ll say, ‘Father, put your glory on display.’” A voice came out of the sky: “I have glorified it, and I’ll glorify it again.” 29 The listening crowd said, “Thunder!” Others said, “An angel spoke to him!” 30-33 Jesus said, “The voice didn’t come for me but for you. At this moment the world is in crisis. Now Satan, the ruler of this world, will be thrown out. And I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to me and gather them around me.” He put it this way to show how he was going to be put to death. 34 Voices from the crowd answered, “We heard from God’s Law that the Messiah lasts forever. How can it be necessary, as you put it, that the Son of Man ‘be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?” 35-36 Jesus said, “For a brief time still, the light is among you. Walk by the light you have so darkness doesn’t destroy you. If you walk in darkness, you don’t know where you’re going. As you have the light, believe in the light. Then the light will be within you, and shining through your lives. You’ll be children of light.” Their Eyes Are Blinded 36-40 Jesus said all this, and then went into hiding. All these God-signs he had given them and they still didn’t get it, still wouldn’t trust him. This proved that the prophet Isaiah was right: God, who believed what we preached? Who recognized God’s arm, outstretched and ready to act? First they wouldn’t believe, then they couldn’t—again, just as Isaiah said: Their eyes are blinded, their hearts are hardened, So that they wouldn’t see with their eyes and perceive with their hearts, And turn to me, God, so I could heal them.
  4. Presidential Poll

    Your lack of biblical education is showing. Divine vessels chosen by God are typically weak and flawed. The Israelites were the weakest tribe in the region, and prone to paganism. David was a licentious, murderous adulterer and libertine. Jonah was a complete coward. Trump prays and publicly praises God. The commonality in those chosen by God seems to be their weakness and lack of innate ability, so that the power of God is not confused with the individual.
  5. Presidential Poll

    Blessed are the peacemakers. No war with Russia. North Korea's disarmament will earn Trump a Nobel. The multiple wars in the mideast no longer include the US. I have never seen a first term president have such astounding success.
  6. This Week's Lectionary

    March 11, 2018 John 3:14-21 The Message (MSG) 13-15 “No one has ever gone up into the presence of God except the One who came down from that Presence, the Son of Man. In the same way that Moses lifted the serpent in the desert so people could have something to see and then believe, it is necessary for the Son of Man to be lifted up—and everyone who looks up to him, trusting and expectant, will gain a real life, eternal life. 16-18 “This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life. God didn’t go to all the trouble of sending his Son merely to point an accusing finger, telling the world how bad it was. He came to help, to put the world right again. Anyone who trusts in him is acquitted; anyone who refuses to trust him has long since been under the death sentence without knowing it. And why? Because of that person’s failure to believe in the one-of-a-kind Son of God when introduced to him. 19-21 “This is the crisis we’re in: God-light streamed into the world, but men and women everywhere ran for the darkness. They went for the darkness because they were not really interested in pleasing God. Everyone who makes a practice of doing evil, addicted to denial and illusion, hates God-light and won’t come near it, fearing a painful exposure. But anyone working and living in truth and reality welcomes God-light so the work can be seen for the God-work it is.”
  7. I doubt consciousness is a unitary thing. Intelligence, soul, personality, several types of subconscious (including instinct and archetype), memory, imagination, perception of various types, emotion, talent &c.
  8. This Week's Lectionary

    March 4, 2018 —Amuzgo de Guerrero (AMU)— Amuzgo de Guerrero (AMU) —العربية (AR)— Arabic Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-AR) Ketab El Hayat (NAV) —अवधी (AWA)— Awadhi Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-AWA) —Български (BG)— 1940 Bulgarian Bible (BG1940) Bulgarian Bible (BULG) Bulgarian New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-BG) Библия, нов превод от оригиналните езици (с неканоничните книги) (CBT) Библия, синодално издание (BOB) Библия, ревизирано издание (BPB) —Chinanteco de Comaltepec (CCO)— Chinanteco de Comaltepec (CCO) —Cebuano (CEB)— Ang Pulong Sa Dios (APSD-CEB) —ᏣᎳᎩ ᎦᏬᏂᎯᏍ (CHR)— Cherokee New Testament (CHR) —Cakchiquel Occidental (CKW)— Cakchiquel Occidental (CKW) —Čeština (CS)— Bible 21 (B21) Slovo na cestu (SNC) —Cymraeg (CY)— Beibl William Morgan (BWM) —Dansk (DA)— Bibelen på hverdagsdansk (BPH) Dette er Biblen på dansk (DN1933) —Deutsch (DE)— Hoffnung für Alle (HOF) Luther Bibel 1545 (LUTH1545) Neue Genfer Übersetzung (NGU-DE) Schlachter 1951 (SCH1951) Schlachter 2000 (SCH2000) —English (EN)— 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) American Standard Version (ASV) Amplified Bible (AMP) Amplified Bible, Classic Edition (AMPC) BRG Bible (BRG) Christian Standard Bible (CSB) Common English Bible (CEB) Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) Contemporary English Version (CEV) Darby Translation (DARBY) Disciples’ Literal New Testament (DLNT) Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) Easy-to-Read Version (ERV) Evangelical Heritage Version (EHV) English Standard Version (ESV) English Standard Version Anglicised (ESVUK) Expanded Bible (EXB) 1599 Geneva Bible (GNV) GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) Good News Translation (GNT) Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) International Children’s Bible (ICB) International Standard Version (ISV) J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS) Jubilee Bible 2000 (JUB) King James Version (KJV) Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV) Lexham English Bible (LEB) Living Bible (TLB) The Message (MSG) Modern English Version (MEV) Mounce Reverse-Interlinear New Testament (MOUNCE) Names of God Bible (NOG) New American Bible (Revised Edition) (NABRE) New American Standard Bible (NASB) New Century Version (NCV) New English Translation (NET Bible) New International Reader's Version (NIRV) New International Version (NIV) New International Version - UK (NIVUK) New King James Version (NKJV) New Life Version (NLV) New Living Translation (NLT) New Matthew Bible (NMB) New Revised Standard Version (NRSV) New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised (NRSVA) New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE) New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE) New Testament for Everyone (NTE) Orthodox Jewish Bible (OJB) The Passion Translation (TPT) Revised Standard Version (RSV) Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE) Tree of Life Version (TLV) The Voice (VOICE) World English Bible (WEB) Worldwide English (New Testament) (WE) Wycliffe Bible (WYC) Young's Literal Translation (YLT) —Español (ES)— La Biblia de las Américas (LBLA) Dios Habla Hoy (DHH) Jubilee Bible 2000 (Spanish) (JBS) Nueva Biblia al Día (NBD) Nueva Biblia Latinoamericana de Hoy (NBLH) Nueva Traducción Viviente (NTV) Nueva Versión Internacional (NVI) Nueva Versión Internacional (Castilian) (CST) Palabra de Dios para Todos (PDT) La Palabra (España) (BLP) La Palabra (Hispanoamérica) (BLPH) Reina Valera Actualizada (RVA-2015) Reina Valera Contemporánea (RVC) Reina-Valera 1960 (RVR1960) Reina Valera 1977 (RVR1977) Reina-Valera 1995 (RVR1995) Reina-Valera Antigua (RVA) Spanish Blue Red and Gold Letter Edition (SRV-BRG) Traducción en lenguaje actual (TLA) —Suomi (FI)— Raamattu 1933/38 (R1933) —Français (FR)— La Bible du Semeur (BDS) Louis Segond (LSG) Nouvelle Edition de Genève – NEG1979 (NEG1979) Segond 21 (SG21) —Κοινη (GRC)— 1550 Stephanus New Testament (TR1550) 1881 Westcott-Hort New Testament (WHNU) 1894 Scrivener New Testament (TR1894) SBL Greek New Testament (SBLGNT) —עברית (HE)— Habrit Hakhadasha/Haderekh (HHH) The Westminster Leningrad Codex (WLC) —हिन्दी (HI)— Hindi Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-HI) —Ilonggo (HIL)— Ang Pulong Sang Dios (HLGN) —Hrvatski (HR)— Hrvatski Novi Zavjet – Rijeka 2001 (HNZ-RI) Knijga O Kristu (CRO) —Kreyòl ayisyen (HT)— Haitian Creole Version (HCV) —Magyar (HU)— Hungarian Károli (KAR) Hungarian Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-HU) Hungarian New Translation (NT-HU) —Hawai‘i Pidgin (HWC)— Hawai‘i Pidgin (HWP) —Íslenska (IS)— Icelandic Bible (ICELAND) —Italiano (IT)— La Bibbia della Gioia (BDG) Conferenza Episcopale Italiana (CEI) La Nuova Diodati (LND) Nuova Riveduta 1994 (NR1994) Nuova Riveduta 2006 (NR2006) —日本語 (JA)— Japanese Living Bible (JLB) —Jacalteco, Oriental (JAC)— Jacalteco, Oriental (JAC) —Kekchi (KEK)— Kekchi (KEK) —한국어 (KO)— Korean Living Bible (KLB) —Latina (LA)— Biblia Sacra Vulgata (VULGATE) —Māori (MI)— Maori Bible (MAORI) —Македонски (MK)— Macedonian New Testament (MNT) —मराठी (MR)— Marathi Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-MR) —Mam, Central (MVC)— Mam, Central (MVC) —Mam, Todos Santos (MVJ)— Mam de Todos Santos Chuchumatán (MVJ) —Plautdietsch (NDS)— Reimer 2001 (REIMER) —नेपाली (NE)— Nepali Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-NE) —Náhuatl de Guerrero (NGU)— Náhuatl de Guerrero (NGU) —Nederlands (NL)— BasisBijbel (BB) Het Boek (HTB) —Norsk (NO)— Det Norsk Bibelselskap 1930 (DNB1930) En Levende Bok (LB) —ଓଡ଼ିଆ (OR)— Oriya Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-OR) —ਪੰਜਾਬੀ (PA)— Punjabi Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-PA) —Polski (PL)— Nowe Przymierze (NP) Słowo Życia (SZ-PL) Updated Gdańsk Bible (UBG) —Nawat (PPL)— Ne Bibliaj Tik Nawat (NBTN) —Português (PT)— Almeida Revista e Corrigida 2009 (ARC) Nova Traduҫão na Linguagem de Hoje 2000 (NTLH) Nova Versão Internacional (NVI-PT) O Livro (OL) Portuguese New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (VFL) —Quichua (QU)— Mushuj Testamento Diospaj Shimi (MTDS) —Quiché, Centro Occidenta (QUT)— Quiché, Centro Occidental (QUT) —Română (RO)— Cornilescu 1924 - Revised 2010, 2014 (RMNN) Nouă Traducere În Limba Română (NTLR) —Русский (RU)— New Russian Translation (NRT) Священное Писание (Восточный Перевод) (CARS) Священное Писание (Восточный перевод), версия для Таджикистана (CARST) Священное Писание (Восточный перевод), версия с «Аллахом» (CARSA) Russian New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-RU) Russian Synodal Version (RUSV) —Slovenčina (SK)— Nádej pre kazdého (NPK) —Somali (SO)— Somali Bible (SOM) —Shqip (SQ)— Albanian Bible (ALB) —Српски (SR)— Serbian New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-SR) —Svenska (SV)— Nya Levande Bibeln (SVL) Svenska 1917 (SV1917) Svenska Folkbibeln (SFB) Svenska Folkbibeln 2015 (SFB15) —Kiswahili (SW)— Neno: Bibilia Takatifu (SNT) —தமிழ் (TA)— Tamil Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-TA) —ภาษาไทย (TH)— Thai New Contemporary Bible (TNCV) Thai New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-TH) —Tagalog (TL)— Ang Bagong Tipan: Filipino Standard Version (FSV) Ang Biblia (1978) (ABTAG1978) Ang Biblia, 2001 (ABTAG2001) Ang Dating Biblia (1905) (ADB1905) Ang Salita ng Diyos (SND) Magandang Balita Biblia (MBBTAG) Magandang Balita Biblia (with Deuterocanon) (MBBTAG-DC) —Twi (TWI)— Nkwa Asem (NA-TWI) —Українська (UK)— Ukrainian Bible (UKR) Ukrainian New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-UK) —اردو (UR)— Urdu Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-UR) —Uspanteco (USP)— Uspanteco (USP) —Tiêng Viêt (VI)— 1934 Vietnamese Bible (VIET) Bản Dịch 2011 (BD2011) New Vietnamese Bible (NVB) Vietnamese Bible: Easy-to-Read Version (BPT) —汉语 (ZH)— Chinese Contemporary Bible (Simplified) (CCB) Chinese Contemporary Bible (Traditional) (CCBT) Chinese New Testament: Easy-to-Read Version (ERV-ZH) Chinese New Version (Simplified) (CNVS) Chinese New Version (Traditional) (CNVT) Chinese Standard Bible (Simplified) (CSBS) Chinese Standard Bible (Traditional) (CSBT) Chinese Union Version (Simplified) (CUVS) Chinese Union Version (Traditional) (CUV) Chinese Union Version Modern Punctuation (Simplified) (CUVMPS) Chinese Union Version Modern Punctuation (Traditional) (CUVMPT) John 2:13-25 The Message (MSG) Tear Down This Temple . . . 13-14 When the Passover Feast, celebrated each spring by the Jews, was about to take place, Jesus traveled up to Jerusalem. He found the Temple teeming with people selling cattle and sheep and doves. The loan sharks were also there in full strength. 15-17 Jesus put together a whip out of strips of leather and chased them out of the Temple, stampeding the sheep and cattle, upending the tables of the loan sharks, spilling coins left and right. He told the dove merchants, “Get your things out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a shopping mall!” That’s when his disciples remembered the Scripture, “Zeal for your house consumes me.” 18-19 But the Jews were upset. They asked, “What credentials can you present to justify this?” Jesus answered, “Tear down this Temple and in three days I’ll put it back together.” 20-22 They were indignant: “It took forty-six years to build this Temple, and you’re going to rebuild it in three days?” But Jesus was talking about his body as the Temple. Later, after he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered he had said this. They then put two and two together and believed both what was written in Scripture and what Jesus had said. 23-25 During the time he was in Jerusalem, those days of the Passover Feast, many people noticed the signs he was displaying and, seeing they pointed straight to God, entrusted their lives to him. But Jesus didn’t entrust his life to them. He knew them inside and out, knew how untrustworthy they were. He didn’t need any help in seeing right through them.
  9. Name your Poison

    Haven't thought of Foster's since undergrad. The only beer properly drunk with an oil spout.
  10. Insults? Where? Who?
  11. I thought you 'did not need this vessel'. Now you are referencing scripture. You know the difference between good and evil Rom, and you can freely choose between them.
  12. Deleting 'god'

    4 basic types of choice: choice between 2 expected positive outcomes, choice between 2 expected negative outcomes, choices where outcomes are uncertain but the person choosing is primarily motivated by either fear or reward. The lesser of two evils choice is particularly interesting as it often leads to search for additional choices.
  13. Deleting 'god'

    Why does everyone find 'belief' and 'choice' to be such binary terms? Even in undergrad psychology there are four basic types of choices, and that hardly explains all choices.
  14. Name your Poison

    Agreed. Single malt scotch. Also the new botanical gins, which are what a martini should have been. Japanese beer. Incredibly clean and clear, yet full flavored. 100% barley.