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  1. Yeah who knows for sure, I was just sayin in response to another post that the fundamentalist certainly have there problems just like everyone else. It's just that no one likes someone with a very very high conviction about there beliefs yet has trouble walking the walk. Its the very trite example of hypocritical thingy. Thats why the are among the least liked of all religion sect's...lol. But most importantly, I dont mean to bash there views lest I become a contribute to the problem of this us against them attitude. Lest I jump in the same boat so to speak as those I would disagree with. The interesting thing is that I am very open minded until I am faced with someone that is close minded lol....rendering me no different than them. I wish to be better then that but is an issue to work on.....
  2. I agree that is often the case. Spong in one of his lectures reals of a string of stats concerning the bible belt. Highest instances in pornography, child abuse, adultery and divorce in the country. But we must be careful my friends to not jump in the same boat with those who hurt us. "Dam those fundamentalists!!" Is a slippery slope attitude "that I can really relate with..lol" that can lead us to the same "us against them attitude" that has reppeled us in the first place. What I really meant was that it seems the fundamental reason why any religion can perhaps result in the individuals experiencing of peace; is that they truly believe in it. That is the security I speak of and am sometimes jealous of. Not all fundamentalist are "evil" lol. Some do bear good fruit, those are the ones that experience the pure sense of peace as a result of absolute conformity and therefor belief in there version of reality.
  3. Yes yes yes to this post sir! You are not alone there. There are many such notions by the funda's that absolutely blow my mind. The notion of a santa clause God as Spong put it has always been the most ridiculous thing I had ever herd of for the reasons you state. There are many other things I can site; but you know what, when I reach way way down into my heart what I find is that I am jealous of them and therefor angry at them. It sounds ridiculous doesnt it but I say to you seek and see if there isn't at least some of that behind the mask of righteousness that is your observation of fundamentalists. Before I go forward I am also speaking to my self hear, please please please dont perceive me to be giving you a hard time. When I say jelous what I mean is that really, in the suffering I have come to know in my life when I see someone that believes in such absurd notions I am sort of envious of them even if I know they are insane...lol. Because I know that they do have a certain security in there life's that I long for. Its almost as though I would have in the past chosen to be one of them if it where something that my brain would accept.....but I simply could not do so any more than I can walk on water. It simply is not in the cards for me. Also its the ignorance is Bliss saying right? So where am I left? In the past it seemed like I was left out in the cold....but have begun to find this concept of Christianity giving me hope.
  4. I'm way back at the beginning of the post but to this I speak. One thing I try so desperately to live is that what another believes is none of my business, and that I "shall know them by their fruit" I think in this way it is easier for me to venture into a more traditional church freely. Though it is tuff. See the human fellowship aspect of religion is one of the fundamental reasons why it offers people security and if you are not among like minds we tend to feel like an out cast or all alone in the world. Lets face it the paradigm shift that is occurring is in its infancy there for we are the minority. That is why i think it imperative to focous on only one thing, is there love hear????
  5. Hi everyone, Just joined today an again will say I am so happy to have found this concept of Christianity. I had always felt a strong attraction to Christ but.....well you know the rest. I was looking at another post that was about the music that relates what we are all about hear, as progressive Christians. In any case, I have a band and song in mind that I think might be very interesting to discuss. Firstly let me say that Maynard James Keenan, the lead singer has always been very controversial in his subject matter. Often his music is a reflection of the human condition and typically expressed by whatever particular platform he chose in the specific song. This includes a song that appears to be bashing Jesus. Which isn't the song this post is about but make no mistake it was a song that was actually inspired by the same "fundamentalist" behaviors humans for millennium have found "security" in. This security inspired by fear and blind in "gang mentality" or what Spong calls "tribal God". Hear we go...... the song...Lateralus, by: Tool Black then white are all I see in my infancy. Red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me, lets me see. As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn beyond the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ******** Indeed when we look at all of humanity it appears as though the longer we are around the more we lean towards color. "as I would hope, though at times seems not the case" In other words the infantile black and white perceptions, or insistence upon absolutes has been the source of so much death and destruction in this world! It always requires an individual or group to "push the envelope" before any change or growth happens. ******* Over thinking, over analyzing, separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines. *********** It seems another human liability is that we spend a whole lot more time thinking about, then doing or being about things. We become almost dead to the world as we are in the prison of our mind. Isolated and alone more often then not fear is spawned and we all know where that goes. You cant fully be in any moment of relation if you are to busy trying to figure out you response to the relation. If we could shut the mind up we might actually hear the message and be better position to to seize the "opportunity" to be of assistance anyway. This becomes a sort of intuition. ******* Black then white are all I see in my infancy. Red and yellow then came to be, reaching out to me, lets me see. There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these, infinite possibilities. As below so above and beyond I imagine, drawn outside the lines of reason. Push the envelope. Watch it bend. ****** Hear I'm sure we can all relate. How many of us have felt like "There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these, infinite possibilities." ‚ÄčOr persecuted for asking, this I believe is a strong influence that drives the paridime shift now happening in the world of the spiritual, once known as religiousness. ******* Over thinking, over analyzing, separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind. Feed my will to feel this moment, urging me to cross the line. Reaching out to embrace the random. Reaching out to embrace whatever may come. ******** WOOOWWW... How much courage does it take to cross a line others have drawn and to embrace the unknown. Imagine that. Tribal God or religion and the gang mentality was a response to fear of the unknown. It has always been very difficult for humans to embrace the unknown hasn't it? Indeed I say it has been for me! So we see how many tribes have found there security in defining the undefinable and then adopting an us against them attitude to anything that challenges there security. ******* I embrace my desire to... I embrace my desire to... feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral, to swing on the spiral, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human. ******** At this part of the song the mood shifts from frustration or longing, to uplifting and fulfillment. What beauty in these words. First off, is the fact that the purest aspect of any religion "of the creative nature" is certain timeless and universal principles. Always at the root are principles like: honesty, compassion, empathy, selflessness etc..... So one must view these lyric in that context. Funny thing about that is These are the very sort of lyric that the church of old would have dubbed as heresy. "embrace your desire" WHAT!! Blasphemer!! Yes to embrace our longing for fulfillment, our curious nature would have been a reckless notion to the church of old. It goes on to state such magic as to be able to "step aside" from self that we be free to weep like a widow. "To feel inspired" or in spirit. To witness the beauty, and what must happen in order for us to truly wittnes anything. We must step aside from ourselves, out of the prison of the mind. It is then that we can truly see. All of these things are at the core of any spiritual masters message and that of the Christ. At this point I will leave you to freely interpret the rest of the lyric's but know at this point the moode becomes one of revelotion a sort of breaking free from the chains of the past, a sort of uplifting but that of a rocket ship blasting forward!! oh and did you catch the fountain reference??? "But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. John 4:5-14****** With my feet upon the ground, I lose myself between the sounds and open wide to suck it in. I feel it move across my skin. I'm reaching up and reaching out. I'm reaching for the random or whatever will bewilder me, whatever will bewilder me. And following our will and wind, we may just go where no one's been. We'll ride the spiral to the end and may just go where no one's been. Spiral out. Keep going. Spiral out. Keep going. Spiral out. Keep going. Spiral out. Keep going.
  6. Hi my name is Daniel, I have long been seeking God and always have I been attracted to all things spiritual. Unfortunitly I have always also bee very attracted to thee destructive aspects of life. I have felt trapped in a prison of fear and contempt for far, far to long. I have begun going to church "as an expression of open mindedness" and I run into some of the very unattractive things I have, in the past, out of fear used to prove the world was a bad place. Along with the many articles of faith the status quo take literally, or in a way that justifies there hate or fear. In the end I have always been very attracted to Jesus him self. But failed to look beyond the frailties of man and realize the Christ message is one of love and that it is indeed perhaps the greatest example of a way to peace. " I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly." Well that is a brief introduction as to what I am all about. Peace
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