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  1. PaulS

    The Real Jesus

    Which is why I am curious what people may think of the 'unknown' Jesus. Like you say, a lot of stock is put into the writings of the Gospels and Paul about who Jesus was, with no confirmation outside of those few writings we have (let alone their accuracy). So to take that small speck of his life and decide Jesus was the penultimate human seems a huge jump for me and doesn't at all seem to stop and ask the questions about anything else to do with the other 30+ years of Jesus' life. If one is to have that much trust in their understanding of Jesus then surely they have stopped to consider how he might have handled all the other human things that would have occurred to him in a normal human life (love, sex, risk-taking, career, teenage years, etc).
  2. I understand there to be two 'types' of Kingdoms discussed in the Gospels. There's the Kingdom of God (Theos) which is spiritual and what you are referring to from Luke. But Matthew discusses the Kingdom of Heaven (Ouranos) mainly which is about a physical, earthly, Heaven-like kingdom. Not heaven itself, but a Heaven implemented by the coming of the Son of Man, on earth. Whilst the NT may use the terms interchangeably, because in some ways they are one and the same thing, there is a difference between entering the Kingdom of God now and entering or being in the Kingdom of Heaven at some later date.
  3. PaulS

    The Purpose of Life

    An elegant article which helps explain why I see so much more to life without feeling the need to believe in a traditional Christian 'God' as determined by the human mind. https://designluck.com/the-purpose-of-life/
  4. PaulS

    The Real Jesus

    After leaving traditional Christianity I always wondered about what Jesus and his real existence was actually like. By real, I mean the extensive part of Jesus' life that we know nothing about - We only have a snapshot of a very, very brief period of his life provided to us in the Gospels and the NT in general, yet traditional Christianity tends to have a pretty certain model of Jesus and some would say that Jesus was the perfect man (human). I always wondered about the details that were never provided and how Jesus may have actually been in real life (as opposed to perhaps only favourable versions of him portrayed by adherents). For example: did Jesus ever lose his cool, as most everybody I know has done at some time or another? as a teenager, was he ever rebellious to his parents as every male I know has done at some point in their youth/adolescents at least? did Jesus ever get drunk? did Jesus ever have a girlfriend in his younger years or was he ever keen on a girl? did Jesus masturbate, as most males do at some point (or regularly) in their lives? Was he a virgin at his death? did he ever swear, get angry, I understand it is speculation, but do others care to speculate what the rest of Jesus may have been like outside of the pretty portrait minimally portrayed?
  5. Except little else in Joel's so called 'prophecy' can actually be linked to Pentecost. Of course many Christians can twist this prophecy to fit their pre-beliefs, but a proper reading of Joel will clearly demonstrate that the things Joel talks about were simply NOT fulfilled at Pentecost. Joel was referring to other things and not this Pentecost later seized upon by some Christians. Some Christians jump to the conclusion that Joel's prophecy was fulfilled because of one, single, similarity between the prophecy and the alleged events in Acts, that is the 'outpouring of the holy spirit' but this is a very narrow interpretation of such prophecy fulfilled. Some elements of Joel's prophecy that were not fulfilled at Pentecost include: There was no outpouring of the holy spirit to 'All Flesh' as Joel requires Sons and daughters weren't prophesying as Joel states young men weren't seeing visions as Joel advises their old men weren't dreaming dreams in line with Joel's prophecy servants and handmaidens weren't prophesying as required by Joel's dream and also the several physical elements of the prophecy - dark sun, blood moon, smoky mist etc etc. Further, the signs that Joel writes about are to be seen 'after the day of the Lord' and not before. A lot more has to be done according to Joel until that 'day of the lord' is reached, and Pentecost simply wouldn't cut it for Joel as having reached that point in time. And it is not a two-step process, although some Christians like to turn it into that to make it fit their purpose. Joel is clear that his prophecy, in full, will occur at a single, particular point in time. Once again this story seems more like a reaching back into the OT by NT writers to link their beliefs to Judaism rather than an accurate fulfilment of a prophecy made about soemthing else hundreds of years earlier. But if it makes you happy...
  6. I questioned it because you seem to box Progressive Christians in to only two choices - either they must believe the world is to be reborn or they must believe in a movement to a higher consciousness/ a higher state of being (event though you question what those terms actually mean). I'm just suggesting the 3rd choice - you are already fully human - just do the stuff that is better for humankind moreso than the stuff that is not as good for humankind. Or don't. The consequences speak for themselves.
  7. No other possible explanation for myths such as these?
  8. Better not to believe in curses against all of humankind resulting from some primitive myth, in my opinion.
  9. Not at all, but if that is how you view your life with the beliefs that you currently hold, then I can understand why you need to hold onto your myths, 'prophecies' and other God stories to help give your life purpose.
  10. Progressive Christians who believe what precisely? What about a 3rd choice - neither a new world with people reborn, or a movement to higher consciousness (whatever that means) and any 'necessity' to transcend this life/world, but rather, simply an understanding about trying to get along and be the best of what we are.
  11. I agree that the 'modern' confusion is incorrect, but it does appear that the ancient view (in Jesus' day and shortly thereafter) was that the arrival of God's Kingdom was imminent and was an end times scenario of sorts as Rome would be overthrown and Israel, with God at its head, would rise above all). But of course, that didn't happen.
  12. PaulS

    Favorite fruits and vegetables

    I have it on good authority that there is a work directly written by Jesus titled "The Narrow Way Is Through The Vege Garden". Perhaps, like much of the Jesus message, later authors attributed meat eating stories to Jesus in order to make him more attractive to outsiders!
  13. The 'earliest' Christian writers (e.g. Paul and those pseudepigraphic authors who pretended to be Paul) seemed to think the Kingdom was imminent and was going to happen in their lifetimes. That does seem to be in line with Jesus and the OT messiah talk (to a degree). Later 'early' Christians then seemed to turn the 'good news' into this other future 'kingdom' that relied upon either faith or works (depending on which view you take of elements of the NT) and definitely excluded people who didn't make the grade.
  14. I think those sort of words may have been placed on Jesus' lips by some NT writers. I think it's pretty convincing that Jesus was an apocalyptic prophet who believed the coming of the Kingdom was imminent and that the evil powers (Rome) would be overthrown 'in this generation'. When Jesus got executed and 'this generation' didn't see the coming of the Kingdom, Christians began to 'interpret' Jesus differently and make up new stories about the Kingdom.
  15. You might be jumping to some conclusions there Burl - don't get too excited.