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  1. PaulS

    Shades of Grey

    No argument from an educative point of view. Indeed my own children attend both a Catholic High School and an Anglican Primary School. I am suggesting run far away from the harmful teachings of traditional Christianity such as one not being worthy if they don't 'accept the Lord', that one is destined for eternal harm if they don't 'believe', that a human is born evil, etc etc. I don't think one has to experience that sort of indoctrination to then come out the other side with a more balanced view.
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    Shades of Grey

    Please know I was only using the word 'pathological' in the sense that Burl introduced it. My later point was simply refuting Burl's interpretation of 'traditional' Christianity as being only the 'friendly' version so to speak. Without a doubt many Christians were exposed to less harmful versions of Christianity (you are an example). And even those that were exposed to a more harmful interpretation of Christianity might not suffer any harm if they remain with the flock and hold the faith. As for what is deemed 'ordinary' Christianity, i would suggest the numbers are on the side of the fundamentalists, the 'burn in hell if you don't believe' flavour, indeed many of those faiths who meet Burl's definition of 'traditional' (i.e. "affrims the Apostle's Creed (modifications allowed), has over 500k members or has existed for over a generation"). But there are clearly thousands of versions of Christianity and each of those probably truly believes they have THE correct understanding of Christianity.
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    Shades of Grey

    I think the point still stands that what is regarded as 'traditional' Christianity does include the 'pathological' model I experienced, whether some Christians feel offended by that or not. Sure there is less harmful Christianity, but I don't think this has been the majority version throughout history.
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    No much action

    Sometimes it’s busier, sometimes it’s quieter.
  5. PaulS

    Biblical Sexuality

    I’d be interested in how you see it from an anthropological/historical point of view, so I’ll drop you an email. Cheers Paul
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    My evolving journey

    Welcome back Apexcone, Having been down that fundy path and it’s abandonment myself, I can relate to how Spong can be very enlightening on a better understanding of christianity. I think, like Rom suggests, Spong’s biggest audience are those who don’t feel comfortable with their traditional understanding of Christianity and God, but whom enjoy the familiarity Spong maintains without severing the connection to their past. I hope you enjoy your refamiliarisation here. Cheers Paul
  7. Yes, Bishop Spong’s books, talks and general profile have really helped many (including me) better understand scripture and Christianity.
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    Greetings from new member

    Welcome SL, I hope you feel welcome here and find the forum a beneficial place for sharing. Cheers Paul
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    Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    The majority of the world also used to believe the earth was flat, and that slavery was considered normal. As Leo Tolstoy is quoted - “Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it”. Such ‘spirituality’ as you mention Burl has been bending and twisting ever since first thought in an effort to keep up with the world modernising. As for the US military - you have a President who’s chief spiritual advisor is conducting a ‘Mega Miracles’ tour with a preacher who claims to raise people from the dead. Just because somebody is fanatical about spirituality doesn’t give it credibility. Can you even name one single military initiative/development that has resulted from these programs (not including what they learnt about psychology and the real world)? We agree the Christian evolution/young earth/creationists arguments are all silly, but these are examples of the old spirituality trying to hold on in the face of development. I imagine today’s ‘spirituality’ will be viewed the same in another couple of hundred years.
  10. PaulS

    Hello!

    Welcome Miriam, I hope you enjoy the forum and derive some value from it. Questions (and debate) are pretty popular here and we share a broad scale of beliefs and non-beliefs. Many of us here have been associated with fundamental Christianity (not all). Some have returned to the fold so to speak with perhaps a new understanding, others may continue links with Christianity but without the typical beliefs that many say Christians must believe. Either way, (and in many of other ways for that matter) discussions and debate are excellent for learning and there is plenty of information also available in our archives. Enjoy your stay here. Cheers Paul
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    Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Consider away I say if that's what tickles your fancy, but why not consider if humanity is evolving 'away' from God or indeed, is evolving without any concept of God whatsoever? Why are a minority of the human species so hell-bent on being convinced there is something behind the scenes pulling the strings? Is it for the same evolutionary reasons that many are scared of the dark, or is is just the hangover of superstition that developed when we first started to walk upright? I doubt Tim Keller is genuinely asking a question and I doubt he would be genuinely be interested in any of those comments that don't include God in the picture. There is nothing 'mere' about evolution and if Tim really doesn't know why we should object to powerful people oppressing marginalised ones without some God being part of the equation, then I'd be concerned that his education was severely lacking in that societal dept.
  12. Welcome back Tom, even if just for a visit. Labels are an interesting thing - we seem to like to apply them to help us organise things nice and neatly, yet most of the time these labels get blurred, crossover, or update to more fitting ones. Whatever the case, you are you, whether you wear a label or not. Sometimes labels do help communicate our position/beliefs/opinions, and sometimes they confuse. To me 'God' seems to be the ultimate label of confusion and one that is always held tightly by small likeminded groups who want to be 'right'. I probably wear bits and pieces of dozens of labels, none of which probably fit precisely with somebody else's opinion of what that label should mean. Who cares. Whatever it is you are struggling with, just keep breathing and smile. You'll come out the other side eventually. Enjoy the love you have and share with your friends. That is all that matters. Take care. Paul
  13. If we were able to answer this conclusively Rom, we would probably be worth a lot of money! Far greater chemical reactions than mine are at work on this question! But I do think it is our chemistry driving us. This chemistry has evolved over millennia and is currently at a point where it drives us the way it does.
  14. I don't think consciousness is an illusion but rather simply a product of the chemical reactions of our brain. I would suggest we don't recall pre-birth consciousness because our brains haven't developed yet. As we age our brains develop and so our 'consciousness' refines its process and becomes more and more. I think there are people who genuinely believe they have lived before, but I think that is just what their brain is telling them due to the way it has connected its neurons during life's experiences. I think our brains have evolved to a point that consciousness, intuition, memory, imagination, soul etc are all simply products of this functioning brain. I think because we are yet to fully understand our brains we tend to think that soul and consciousness are somehow something outside of our physical brain. When we die and the oxygen and blood ceases travelling to the brain the brain stops working and that is the end of our so-called soul, consciousness, and mental existence.
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    Deleting 'god'

    Member Davidsun has been blocked from posting for a one-week period (until Saturday 10 March) as an administrative measure to discourage uncompassionate posts. What is an uncompassionate post?– see below. There IS an etiquette and guidelines to abide by here so that all members may participate in discussion threads without being called names or insulted or other derogatory comments made about their beliefs. We don’t all agree all the time and vigorous discussion often does ensue, but everyone has a right to their beliefs here without being insulted. It is a fine line sometimes and this decision is not taken lightly. I have only implemented a one-week period in this instance, but I think it is necessary for maintaining our forum for all who wish to participate in accordance with the guidelines established for this forum. Paul (As Alternate Administrator)
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