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jenny last won the day on March 1 2010

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  1. I agree BOE. I also think that lukewarmness is not something that I can accuse you of or you me....it is only something that I can, or God can, judge myself on. I also don't think the primary evidence for lukewarmness is our actions...because I think that actions are a outgrowth of what is in the heart. Therefore, it is first a matter of the heart and then after that it still will not be perfect or look like worthy deeds to some people. If you are a tree that produces apples, but someone comes along who only likes oranges and thinks only oranges are worth anything.......well, then....huh...I think you get my gist! :^D
  2. I believe that even though Jesus arrived on earth in one, limited human body...His heart, character and inner-divinity is huge...unimaginably so. So even tho He says He is the Way...it doesn't (necessarily) mean what humans think it means. The Way of Jesus very well could be that He looks at the heart of each person and sees that that person could be somewhere on the path EVEN when the FINITE human eye DOESN'T see it. Jesus sees, for instance, that a persons heart is in actuality saying yes...when all we are seeing is what is on the outside, and so all we may be seeing is the person saying no. We do not see intent, God does. We don't truly see the heart, God does. We don't really see the path a person is truly on, but God does. God also sees the past and the future...where as we in comparison only see one dimensionally. Anyway, just because Jesus said He is the Way....may not mean the limitations some think it does. I think in order to interpret Jesus' statements correctly, we need to look at His life and use that as the measuring stick.
  3. Can you please elaborate? :^) Where do you think many of them came from?
  4. I actually don't know that we will ever completely see, understand or describe in words why God did what God did. However, I think that if we stepped back and looked at the picture God was painting, I think it would hit home as an ultimate picture of God showing the depth of what His love is and can be for us. The picture portrayed was not God sitting on a throne with a sceptre with His puny subjects scrambling around serving His every whim. Or a big gleaming castle set in the middle of a starving village and people hanging in the gallows. The picture that was painted was not one of a boastful tyrant or a thoughtless Deity. It was one of very simple, yet profound actions that examplify love at it's most highest and greatest. A picture is worth a thousand words!
  5. Dutch, I also have a tendency to do the same thing. I think we all do. However, I do think tolerance has to start with me...then radiate out from there as I believe it stems from an attitude of the heart. An attitude that is humble enough to admit that we do not have all the answers. That we may not understand all the dynamics of communicating effectively (to the other person). I like the picture of someone who enters a room that has been filling up with gas fumes...the person who has been in there doesn't notice anything, in essence - it is common and familiar to them. Yet the person who walks in is ready to scream and say, "Get out of here!! Don't you smell it?? Oh, no...open the windows!! We all have a tendency to expect others to do what we think is the right things to do and in the ways we think they should be done, yet we have to realize that they may not be smelling the fumes! SO, therefore, we have to back-up and be ready to realize that they may not even speak the same language or come from the same reference points as we do. I think that if we truly want to be a tolerant person, and one that communicates well, then it is might behoove us to step into the other persons world a little bit first. Take care, Jenny
  6. I am of Polish descent and have always been curious where the idea/myth/stereotype of Polish people being dumb came from? I had thought that when the many Pol's came thru Ellis Island that they could not answer the questions required because they could not speak enough English...and this fact was not taken into account when they were questioned. I remember in a class I took a number of years ago the teacher spoke about this...and that many times a question would be asked, such as; What color is a school bus? Well, even tho the person didn't even know what a school bus was!...they would be "graded" on not knowing it's color! There are soooo many stereotypes and myths about so many peoples and animals for that matter....I would love to get other's perspectives...
  7. Rivanna, I used to think of the Bible as more of a manual of rules...and didn't get emotional reactions unless a verse stuck out at me.~~~~~~~~~~However, I now see the bible a different way entirely. Now, to me it is like my Father has set me on His knee and shares His secrets and wisdom with me...a little at a time. So, now, I do have tears or a feeling of warmness, because I am confident that this is indeed the purpose of scripture,,,,,not to condemn, but to bestow wisdom and understanding. Then if there is something that seems condemning then I know that it is just something else that I need more wisdom and understanding about. :^)
  8. I think that people in general underestimate the power of words as well! Quotes are others wisdom which many times have been wrought out of suffering, and at the very least life experience...so it would behoove us to pay heed, as maybe it might lead us to the same wise thinking, without the same suffering.
  9. Dutch, I've taken some "trips" through the internet lately, to see what others say about PC. I find it interesting the multitude of perspectives...especially when I began using other words other then progressive. There are apparently many folks who see that Christianity...as far as that which comes from the conservative viewpoint...needs to be reevaluated in how it has been practiced, and even what role Christ still plays in the whole thing. My background is in the conservative Christian way of thinking. Which is from basically childhood up until about 12 or so yrs ago. So I guess that would mean I was in it for about the 1st 40 yrs of my life...altho things normally don't happen overnite and so I was questioning for several yrs before that. To me, the majority of conservatives, in my view, have defined God so tightly that they do not have room for other perspectives. I also see that they have not only defined God as far as God's character or expectations, but also "dimensionally". In my own family God is, in abstract terms, small - in relation to what I now picture any God to be. I see that the mere idea of a God translates into a being that transcends any human definition...or, that we would at least understand that our perspectives are possibly limited. Anyway, this is where I see things. Now in hindsight, I wish I would have said that I believe that one of the keys to tolerance is understanding and being able to speak the other's language a bit...as well as not expecting or assuming the other knows my language when trying to communicate to them my perspectives. For instance, if I wanted to be more tolerant towards the people of another country lets say, then I would not insist that they speak my language so I could begin to understand them. Part of the process would be for ME (the one who is trying to be more tolerant and hopefully more evolved) to learn their language so I can learn to understand and communicate more effectively with them...in essence, it is in my thinking a very proactive endeavor, because there are ways of thinking out there that believe in NOT being tolerant towards other ways of thinking, and so they are not going to build any bridges! Therefore, it is in the hands of the "enlightened" to not only be the ones reaching out, but possibly to even be the ones that set an example of a Divine love that transcends our own thought processes and human perspectives.
  10. Thank you Bill for this. I have kind of went full circle in my Christian faith...meaning I started out just simply believing that there was a Creator and that He loved me; His creation. Then I went for yrs and was very involved in the church and practiced my faith to the utmost. I got very serious about witnessing and etc... However, I am pretty much back to where I started. A very simple faith..yes, a more mature and assured type of faith with much more understanding, but simple none the less. Part of what I have come back to, altho in a stronger sense, is paying attention to what is in my heart. When I, personally, brainstormed a list of the things God would hope His children do in this life...what I came up with at the top of my list is something that many think is nice to do at least once in a while...or they give money, so others will go out and do it for them...or they think it is mostly just fluff...or they don't think about it at all. The thing I couldn't help but put at the top of my list is love. However, love as a motivation and way of life. A love that is something other then incidental as I am going about doing my other priorities. A love that comes from a heart convinced that love is a way of thinking and living. Because, if a person is not convinced of love being a way of life (Christ-like)...then it will become something that ends up being a striving and an obligation...which defeats the purpose ((cause who wants to "be loved" by someone who is only doing it cause they feel they have to))...instead of something a person does naturally, and with fervor; like living and breathing. Anyway, it has become this way for me. I have come to believe and am convinced that the 1 Cor. 13 type of love is the remedy for most of our social and emotional ills...and even tho I have had people roll their eyes at me when out and about and I pay attention to the lady at the store who is in back of me with just a few groceries or the waitress that seems over-worked, and also the other people around me...I continue to do what I believe is the highest calling anyone could have. SO, THANK YOU for caring for the world!!!!
  11. Thanks for the door being open! It is so nice being welcome... These are my favorite quotes...that nourish me...in fact, I can feel them sink down into my heart....hope they do similar for you! "You cannot train a horse with shouts and expect it to obey a whisper." ~ DD Runes "Integrity has no need of rules." ~ A Camus "If a man happens to find himself, he has a mansion which he can inhabit with dignity all the days of his life." ~ JA Michener "I haven't failed, I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." ~ T Edison **************************************************************************************************************************************************** "In our religious striving, we are usually looking for something quite other than the God who has come looking for us." ~ E Peterson "You and I are here to do good to others. What the others are here for, I don't know." ~ B Russell "The rare individual who unselfishly tries to serve others has an enormous advantage ~~ he has little competition." ~ A Carnegie "So absolutely good is truth, truth never hurts the teller." ~ R Browning ***************************************************************************************************************************************************** Here are some funnies too... "You should always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't come to yours." ~ Y Berra "A cat could very well be man's best friend, but would never stoop to admitting it!" ~ D Larson "If you think it's hard meeting new people, try picking up the wrong golf ball." ~ J Lemmon
  12. Hi Rivanna, Well, that and other particular movies have confirmed what I had already been thinking...which is kinda cool when it's not really a new concept or idea to me, but one I have already been thinking about. For me, it makes me feel like I must be going in the right direction and somewhat on the ball anyway! Ha! :^D You had mentioned about Is. 30...to me that is saying that whatever path you took, it was the 'right' one. That because we don't know the future (I don't anyway) that God means for us to do things out of faith...and no matter what path we took there will always be an element of questioning and of hindsight...which comes with the territory. I also think there is a definite element of grace too...that being finite beings means we aim at God and then take the next step and then the next. The more I grow into God the simpler (not necessarily easier)it seems to get for me...I take whats before me and am satisfied more with those things instead of always thinking or worrying I should be someplace else. I think the yearning will always be there (which is the natural pull forward of someone with a true heart for God), but also the peace of knowing that God is not so far off that He doesn't take notice and be involved in all the corners of my life...which settles my heart!
  13. Dutch...I'm sorry, you lost me. I do not limit God...or truly endeavor not to...so I am not really sure where you are coming from??? I think I made it quite clear about what I was saying. I believe that if any group (because there are hundreds and hundreds of them) believes they have God all figured out, then they are likely to insist others follow "their" God as well. Therefore, I believe that it is most important (or at least something to consider), that we keep our hearts and minds open and be humble and not self-righteous concerning how we handle our own understanding of God...because God is too big and limitless, to be confined in anyone definition...which I thought this site was all about...?? I believe with all my heart that Christ is Divine and IS the One I follow...and I would hope that others come to see Him as the One to follow too. However, I believe that The Divine is so utterly immense that I KNOW that there is still a LOT I do not know about Him OR spiritual things in general for that matter...I will be learning for the rest of my life. This is why I prefer not to argue spiritual things with people, because how can we pit our spiritual experiences against each others, or why would we even want to? However, I am also endeavoring to be tolerant towards those who believe that they DO have the best understanding of God and/or spiritual things...thus the whole idea of tolerance!? Say, I am not familiar with the Two Great Commandments or the Holiness Laws...do you have to believe in those rules in order to be part of this tolerance site??
  14. Ada, I appreciate you raising this question/topic. Something that has been going on in my life is the realization how immense God is. I am wondering if the reason there is intolerance towards other faiths or denominations, is because each have brought God down to human level and claimed God for their own...and have modeled Him in their minds in a way that fits their version of what a God should be...and then to them, what God IS. Therefore, if they believe that God IS THAT specific kind of God...Who only accepts as right, THEIR kind of lifestyles...then it would make it evident to them to try and convince others to either convert and believe the same way they do...or be doomed or excluded. To me, how can we ever, EVER say exactly who God is?? If He (I say He, because I look at God as a Father) indeed is the Creator of the Universe and knows the very inner, minuet-workings of each heart...therefore, IF HE IS THIS gargantuan, then how can anyone know enough-even a fraction- about God to be able to define Him??? In fact, how can we have the gall to even try?!? To me, shouldn't we do the contrary? Be humble/overcome and even reverently silent?? At least respectful, knowing we do not and cannot have God all figured out??
  15. Good point Neon! Thats why I prefer Christianity, as Christ..who is a person...is followed instead of rules. To me the bible is like a letter (or letters) given to your children...letters that give inspiration and explanation. But are, I believe secondary to Jesus Himself...as I believe and have experienced that Jesus is still here and active in Spirit...so why would I HAVE to refer to a set of rules on knowing how to live? They are good and a concrete reference tool when I need it...but as I mature in spiritual stature I go to it not as a set of rules but as a way of learning about our spiritual history and how God dealt with people thru history and sometimes for revelation concerning my own life. Kinda like if your dad sent you a very important letter with lots of good stuff in it. You'll pull it out at times and see things in it you didn't see the last time you read it...but the letter is not and never can be a replacement for him. Jesus once even asked someone why they were going to the written word for their eternal life instead of going to Him. Altho Christianity is practiced as a set of rules too...actually many times, unfortunately...I believe it is not that way at all. The bible even says something interesting about itself; that it has the ability to kill, and it is the Spirit that gives life. When the word is used literally it can be a weapon that hurts people who are weaker...or esteem & rely on rules for their life. I think that following rules is the closest and most familiar form of living life for human beings...they're easier cause they spell things out and you don't have to think for yourself...they ease the conscience if you follow them well...they are concrete and therefore more tangible...if you follow them you are less likely to get into trouble and because a large portion of folks see God as a 'right and wrong' sort of God, then following the rules means you can please Him to boot! So, why not just go along and follow the rules!? ;^)
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