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  2. Hello!

    Good point! I can bring some of my own "lived experience" to Holy Week this year. Thank you—I hadn't thought of it that way. Thank you, Paul and Burl, for the warm welcomes!
  3. This Week's Lectionary

    March 25, 2018 John 12:12-16 The Message (MSG) See How Your King Comes 12-15 The next day the huge crowd that had arrived for the Feast heard that Jesus was entering Jerusalem. They broke off palm branches and went out to meet him. And they cheered: Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in God’s name! Yes! The King of Israel! Jesus got a young donkey and rode it, just as the Scripture has it: No fear, Daughter Zion: See how your king comes, riding a donkey’s colt. 16 The disciples didn’t notice the fulfillment of many Scriptures at the time, but after Jesus was glorified, they remembered that what was written about him matched what was done to him.
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    Welcome, Miriam. Easter approaches, and the story of the death, transformation and resurrection of your faith is most timely.
  5. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    The majority of the world is extremely interested in the reality of spirituality. Only the Western academic elite discourage public acceptance. All other cultures accept spirituality as obvious. Even the US military and intelligence community have extensive programs researching ESP, remote viewing and mind control but only now are these gradually being unclassified. The Christian/evolution argument is as silly as the creationist and young earth theories they revolve around. Keller does not reject evolution. He just made a clever tweet to make people think for a moment.
  6. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Not sure it's a minority and it is doubtful if they think in terms of the 'strings being pulled behind the scenes' although it is a nice attempt to color and thus sway the argument. Further, the question could also be reversed and it could be asked why is a (real) minority of the human species so afraid (meant to color the argument) to allow there is something more to existence than the strings they pull which go nowhere? Is it tied to an inability to trust, to risk, to imagine - an insecurity born of living in fear (to which they reverted) until they first learned to walk upright? Some believe there is evolution towards God, others away from God, others without a concept of God and still others with a more enlightened concept of God - all is a matter of belief.
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    Welcome Miriam, I hope you enjoy the forum and derive some value from it. Questions (and debate) are pretty popular here and we share a broad scale of beliefs and non-beliefs. Many of us here have been associated with fundamental Christianity (not all). Some have returned to the fold so to speak with perhaps a new understanding, others may continue links with Christianity but without the typical beliefs that many say Christians must believe. Either way, (and in many of other ways for that matter) discussions and debate are excellent for learning and there is plenty of information also available in our archives. Enjoy your stay here. Cheers Paul
  8. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Consider away I say if that's what tickles your fancy, but why not consider if humanity is evolving 'away' from God or indeed, is evolving without any concept of God whatsoever? Why are a minority of the human species so hell-bent on being convinced there is something behind the scenes pulling the strings? Is it for the same evolutionary reasons that many are scared of the dark, or is is just the hangover of superstition that developed when we first started to walk upright? I doubt Tim Keller is genuinely asking a question and I doubt he would be genuinely be interested in any of those comments that don't include God in the picture. There is nothing 'mere' about evolution and if Tim really doesn't know why we should object to powerful people oppressing marginalised ones without some God being part of the equation, then I'd be concerned that his education was severely lacking in that societal dept.
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    Hello Heidi—lovely to meet you! I'm a new member as well, and I have also thoroughly enjoyed exploring the writings of John Shelby Spong. I'm currently a largely stay-at-home mother of one, though I am juggling some online university studies and some part-time seasonal work during this time. My community is somewhat small and rural, though I am fortunate in that it is nonetheless quite diverse. While I may not be a perfect match to your checklist, I hope you will feel free to get in touch if ever you like! Best wishes, Miriam
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    Greetings! My name is Miriam, and I have only recently come to reclaim the Christian label in my spiritual life. Coming from a more fundamentalist background, I have had to take time to reflect on my experiences of Christianity from a safe distance before re-engaging with organized religion. The writings of such authors as Rob Bell and John Shelby Spong have been a valuable support in that process. I am grateful to have recently found a local church group that accepts and supports me as an eclectic, progressive Christian, and I now hope to build on that experience by connecting to wider discussions of faith online. I am also in the process of developing a blog that focuses on engaging with faith through questions, so I hope that learning from fellow members will help to better inform my writing in the future. I look forward to taking part!
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  13. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Right-e-o. Also proctologist not astrologist 🙂 Two related life processes; ontogeny and evolution. Ontogeny is orders of magnitude more important than evolution. This is the confusion at the crux of the rather silly creation vs. evolution arguments. Keller's tweet crystallizes an essential flaw in the dialog between fundamentalist scientism and creationism.
  14. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Seeds, or a fertilzed ovum, do not evolve. They grow predictably and with almost perfect consistency. Cells multiply and differentiate into incredibly complex organisms. The final development is predetermined with only minor variations. Evolution is the result of interaction of the developing organism with the environment. It is a completely different process. The maxim "Ontology recapitulates philogeny" is a decent rule of thumb. The evolutionary development of a species generally does resemble the development of the organism, but evolution is only a supporting player.
  15. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    You will have to flesh out this thought Burl. And how this might lead to being the first mover?
  16. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Just a question or, perhaps, an observation: how can there be a 'predefined future potential' if a species adapts and develops (only) in response to its environment, i.e. by interacting with/responding to developments within the rest of creation? If that environment changes, then what a species interacts with changes and, therefore, how that species adapts and develops will (might) change. Its future potential, or one of its future potentials, is no longer possible (or perhaps even desirable) given the 'changed' present. Then again it's genetic predefinition might not enable it to adapt and thus extinction, while others have a greater genetic predisposition to adapt and survive. Now I have a headache and will go rest :+}
  17. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Evolution may not have a direction but development does. I don't think one can discuss evolution on this grand scale without also considering development. Development pulls from a genetically predefined future potential, and evolution is the result of interactions with development and the rest of creation. The two processes are inextricably linked, but rarely discussed together.
  18. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Oh I thought Timothy's point was a good comment. Never mind. Regarding your interesting question ... evolution per se does not have direction. Evolution in a nutshell: If we have a system that replicates But the replication is not completely accurate And if there are differential rates of successful replication because of the environment Then we must have evolution. Of course the replicates themselves are also part of the environment. We can make certain predictions based on this, but evolution itself does not have a direction. As to evolving towards God ... The first mover ... a bit late for that.
  19. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    From the Christian perspective, or perhaps from my Christian perspective, we are not evolving towards God for that would suggest natural (perhaps inevitable?) process. Rather I believe that we can actualize our 'best//true' self or we move toward deification (only) if we incarnate God/Love. In the Christian perspective, the 'evolution of man' is first an action of God.
  20. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    The interesting question is whether humanity is evolving towards God. It is worth consideration.
  21. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Plus note the "merely" ... a rhetorical device designed to activate an emotional response. From a materialist point of view we are the product of the universe unfolding of which evolution is a description (a very accurate one and one that is being refined all the time) of a part of that unfolding.
  22. Tim Keller tweets on evolution

    Good comments. No not good comments at all. 1) evolution does not care about oppression. 2) If the weak out-reproduce the strong, the weak are winning from an evolutionary point of view. 3) If Timothy or anyone else can't think of reasons for not oppressing the weak, the education system in that segment of the population needs a revisit.
  23. https://mobile.twitter.com/timkellernyc/status/975734637761835008?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Frelevantmagazine.com%2Fgod%2Ftim-keller-posted-interesting-thoughts-evolution%2F&tfw_creator=relevant&tfw_site=relevan Good comments.
  24. Welcome back Tom, even if just for a visit. Labels are an interesting thing - we seem to like to apply them to help us organise things nice and neatly, yet most of the time these labels get blurred, crossover, or update to more fitting ones. Whatever the case, you are you, whether you wear a label or not. Sometimes labels do help communicate our position/beliefs/opinions, and sometimes they confuse. To me 'God' seems to be the ultimate label of confusion and one that is always held tightly by small likeminded groups who want to be 'right'. I probably wear bits and pieces of dozens of labels, none of which probably fit precisely with somebody else's opinion of what that label should mean. Who cares. Whatever it is you are struggling with, just keep breathing and smile. You'll come out the other side eventually. Enjoy the love you have and share with your friends. That is all that matters. Take care. Paul
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  26. This Week's Lectionary

    March 18, 2018 John 12:20-40 The Message (MSG) A Grain of Wheat Must Die 20-21 There were some Greeks in town who had come up to worship at the Feast. They approached Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee: “Sir, we want to see Jesus. Can you help us?” 22-23 Philip went and told Andrew. Andrew and Philip together told Jesus. Jesus answered, “Time’s up. The time has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24-25 “Listen carefully: Unless a grain of wheat is buried in the ground, dead to the world, it is never any more than a grain of wheat. But if it is buried, it sprouts and reproduces itself many times over. In the same way, anyone who holds on to life just as it is destroys that life. But if you let it go, reckless in your love, you’ll have it forever, real and eternal. 26 “If any of you wants to serve me, then follow me. Then you’ll be where I am, ready to serve at a moment’s notice. The Father will honor and reward anyone who serves me. 27-28 “Right now I am storm-tossed. And what am I going to say? ‘Father, get me out of this’? No, this is why I came in the first place. I’ll say, ‘Father, put your glory on display.’” A voice came out of the sky: “I have glorified it, and I’ll glorify it again.” 29 The listening crowd said, “Thunder!” Others said, “An angel spoke to him!” 30-33 Jesus said, “The voice didn’t come for me but for you. At this moment the world is in crisis. Now Satan, the ruler of this world, will be thrown out. And I, as I am lifted up from the earth, will attract everyone to me and gather them around me.” He put it this way to show how he was going to be put to death. 34 Voices from the crowd answered, “We heard from God’s Law that the Messiah lasts forever. How can it be necessary, as you put it, that the Son of Man ‘be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?” 35-36 Jesus said, “For a brief time still, the light is among you. Walk by the light you have so darkness doesn’t destroy you. If you walk in darkness, you don’t know where you’re going. As you have the light, believe in the light. Then the light will be within you, and shining through your lives. You’ll be children of light.” Their Eyes Are Blinded 36-40 Jesus said all this, and then went into hiding. All these God-signs he had given them and they still didn’t get it, still wouldn’t trust him. This proved that the prophet Isaiah was right: God, who believed what we preached? Who recognized God’s arm, outstretched and ready to act? First they wouldn’t believe, then they couldn’t—again, just as Isaiah said: Their eyes are blinded, their hearts are hardened, So that they wouldn’t see with their eyes and perceive with their hearts, And turn to me, God, so I could heal them.
  27. Presidential Poll

    Former CIA Director John Brennan responding to Trump's tweet on McCabe's dismissal Wow. Wow indeed.
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