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By calling ourselves progressive,we mean that we are Christians who invite all people to participate in our community and worship life without insisting that they become like us in order to be acceptable (including but not limited to): * believers and agnostics, * conventional Christians and questioning skeptics, * women and men, * those of all sexual orientations and gender identities, * those of all races and cultures, * those of all classes and abilities, * those who hope for a better world and those who have lost hope; * without imposing on them the necessity of becoming like us.

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Posted 18 October 2006 - 09:58 PM

Russ, I really like what you said about all the standing up, sitting down, etc. I think in those simple comments you might have grasped something rather major. The planned sitting and standing at various points seems to be distracting to me in a way. We had a Christmas Eve service where we did nto sit and
stand. It immediately made it much more contemplative. These things, to me, break up the contemplative nature of worship.

Then there is your comments of the "cult of Jesus", of course you didn't word it so barely. But I also dislike things in "Jesus name", singing for Jesus, talking about Jesus as if he were there, and all that. We don't have that so much at the UCC I go to, however, when we have a guest pastor it comes out again or every once
in awhile we have a hymn that goes on and on about Jesus says, "...". Not only do I find it cultish, but it is also distracting to me in a self-conscious sort of way. Of course, other people may find that sort of thign meaningful but from a little talk around I would doubt it was a majority.

OTOH, I like hymns but I can't say I like all of them. I also wish-- most of the time-- that they would speed up the tempo and not sing 6 verses.

I went to one Taize service. I liked it, but kept looking at my watch and would be wondering just how many times they would repeat something. I guessed I found the repetition of a single line tiring after awhile.


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Posted 18 October 2006 - 11:09 PM

View Postdes, on Oct 18 2006, 07:58 PM, said:

I went to one Taize service. I liked it, but kept looking at my watch and would be wondering just how many times they would repeat something. I guessed I found the repetition of a single line tiring after awhile.
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I have to admit that part of what makes me love the Taize services I attend is that the cantor there sings so beautifully. I don't know how I would react to a Taize service held somewhere else.
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Posted 19 October 2006 - 10:37 PM

Different strokes i guess. OTOH, I found the Taize service meaningful and moving. I wouldn't mind going to
one about once a month or so I think. The service I attended had a few interesting ancient instruments:
a harp, etc. I think someone also played some very modern instrument that was lovely with the old instrumetns. I have a recorder piece that is Taize, that I enjoy playing. And I think it would be neat to play in one if I got any better. Though I don't think there are any local Taize groups here. The service I went to
was held during Lent, and it was part of an adult education program.



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