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Are you interested in a chapter by chapter group reading if this Thich Naht Hanh classic?

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#1 Burl

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 12:04 AM

Is there interest in a chapter by chapter discussion of the Tich Nhat Hanh classic?

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https://www.amazon.c...a living christ

Edited by Burl, 05 August 2016 - 12:15 AM.

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Posted 06 August 2016 - 08:19 PM

I am game ... but if we could do it slowly so to speak.


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 09:29 PM

I just received my copy today. Chapter by chapter? I, too, have found internet communication best in teaspoon size doses.
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Posted 07 August 2016 - 09:12 AM

I will be happy to join in on the discussion.

 

Burl you are automatically the discussion leader since you initiated the thread.


Edited by JosephM, 07 August 2016 - 09:29 AM.
added 2nd sentence

"The only separation between you and me can only be in your mind." --Joseph Mattioli


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 10:56 AM

I have asked my wife to order a copy.

 

Over the years for work I have done a bunch of leadership courses.

I have never been sent on a followership course.

 

Having said that I can't help thinking they are sides of the same [dualistic] coin.


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Posted 07 August 2016 - 04:01 PM

Background - Link to a biographical sketch of the author.

http://plumvillage.o...hanh/biography/
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 09:05 AM

FOREWARD

The foreward was written by David Stindel-Rast, a Benedictine monk. http://gratefulness....-brother-david/

He describes the Holy Spirit as the breath of God in all living things, and quotes Romans 8:14, "All who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God." Most are not aware of how often and how broadly the term "son of God" is used in Scripture.

He notes that Nant Hanh spent considerable time with Dr. King, Thomas Merton and other Christian theologians so we can expect TNH to express an informed and educated discussion of Christ and the Buddah.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 10:56 AM

So if our Tich had spent time with learned skeptics then we might not expect informed and educated discussion?


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 10:59 AM

I read part of the foreword online at amazon look inside. Won't have book for another day or so. In it he says Thich says " Discussing God is not the best use of our energy"  .  He prefers practice at mindfulness where we are less likely to "get stuck in notions". I thought that was a great point.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 11:01 AM

Rom,

 

i don't think Tich advocates educated discussions from what i read in the Foreword.


Edited by JosephM, 08 August 2016 - 11:03 AM.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 11:10 AM

Rom,

 

i don't think Tich advocates educated discussions from what i read in the Foreword.

 

Quite possibly ... I was just curious about Burl's suggestion that we might.

 

edit  ... might take a while to get my copy ... rural Canada n'all


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 12:00 PM

Quite possibly ... I was just curious about Burl's suggestion that we might.
 
edit  ... might take a while to get my copy ... rural Canada n'all

I will wait for all y'all to get the book and comment before moving on to the introduction. If possible, get the same edition as in the image so page numbers will align.

I have not read further than the foreward. We may progress together. The book is what it shall be.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 12:59 PM

The 20th anniversary edition is unavailable in Canada ... ordered the 10th anniversary edition.

 

This will be what it will be.

 

Expected to arrive early next week ... will be out of town that week. So I will be able to start reading in two weeks.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:03 PM

I guess Amazon Prime has me spoiled. I'm sure your dog sled will get there eventually.

Do you mind if we move on to the introduction next week? We can always back up, but participation on this board is slim at best. I think having a concrete focus will help. It would put us into the text in two weeks. This preambling is really not the point, but it sure beats dead air.
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Posted 08 August 2016 - 03:11 PM

I guess Amazon Prime has me spoiled. I'm sure your dog sled will get there eventually.

Do you mind if we move on to the introduction next week? We can always back up, but participation on this board is slim at best. I think having a concrete focus will help. It would put us into the text in two weeks. This preambling is really not the point, but it sure beats dead air.

 

no problem ... I can be the peanut gallery until I get the book.


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Posted 08 August 2016 - 04:08 PM

Picked up  my book from the library this afternoon. Read Introduction and 1st chapter. Will read both again more slowly and wait til  everyone has their book and you are ready for comments


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Posted 12 August 2016 - 11:01 AM

INTRODUCTION - Elaine Pagels

The foreward established TNH as having significant interaction with respected Christian mystics, which is an important qualification.

Pagels is a popular non-academic author on religious history. Her introduction largely discusses her own writing on the Nag Hammadi texts. My guess is that the publisher asked her to do an introduction simply for the sales value of her name. She has one or two points taken from the text, but these are better addressed in the author's context. Frankly, the introduction seems self-promotional.

On to the first chapter! I believe I can hear Amazon shushing its way towards the romansh household. Hopefully Trump has not managed to get Canada segregated behind a snowfort wall, even though the Canadians would probably be more than willing to pay for it.
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Posted 13 August 2016 - 06:49 AM

My take on Chapter 1

 

Chapter one seemed short and easy to read. Its pages encouraged its reader to be "nourished by the best values of many traditions". Also, to practice non attachment from ones own views so as to be open to other viewpoints . Thich attributes a cause of killing (wars ?) to people clinging too tightly to their own beliefs. His answer to it is understanding and real communications. He attributes effective dialogue coming out of a deep peace from within through being still and "deep listening". He uses both references to Christian teachings and Buddhist teachings to make his points.


"The only separation between you and me can only be in your mind." --Joseph Mattioli


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Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:06 PM

Chapter One: Be Still and Know

TNH had the thoughtfulness to divide his chapters into carefully labeled subsections. This encourages analysis, and we cannot dismiss TNH as a lazy author or as a façile theosophist. He is not squirting ketchup and mustard over God in order to make Him slide down more easily.

This work is intended to be read in detail and with intellectual intent, but not divorced from internal reflection.

I did suggest taking this work chapter by chapter, but I was wrong and romansh was right. This should be approached more slowly than I expected, and as the author has provided his own guide stones we should use them.

As discussion leader, I feel we should adopt TNH's subheadings and post to each subheading. I pray this will result in a mutual respect and understanding of each individual participant.

My goal in starting this exercise was to structure a method of sharing our thoughts (which are not always intellectual) in this forum format which is bounded by language and intellect.

It is really all about us sharing with each other. The book is but a vehicle, which I suspect is its purpose. May we learn to love each other in difference and agreement.
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Posted 13 August 2016 - 03:20 PM

Goodish news

My book arrived early ... I will be able to start reading it more carefully on Monday evening.

 

Tomorrow is our fortieth wedding anniversary ... so I won't be able to bury my head in the book in the next couple of days.

 

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