[flowperson]

earl, on Aug 4 2007, 07:38 AM, said:

Interesting view. So many mystical or contemplative spiritual traditions speak of an individual attaining a core awareness of an unconditioned state without bounds wherein we do indeed sense a unity comprised of a oneness with all creation. Because the core sense is of an uncondioned state it feels unchanging, not to mention timeless and trans-spatial. Also theologies traditionally speak of a "constant, unchanging" God. So at the end (if there really is such a thing) of one's spiritual journey do we find all sense of individuality meld into a Oness or does there remain a vestige of individuality? Seems as if this distinction is at the heart of differences between Western and Eastern spiritual views. Does God change? If so, in what ways might that be true? Interesting metaphysical questions. Earl

Hi Earl:

As you know i usually can only relate to these things through the memories of my own past experiences. I recollect being in this place from time to time where all is oneness and there is a profound sense of unity and caring for me as an individual soul. But then I am of the opinion is that most artists and creative people have had similar experiences. In my case this has happened quite often when I embark upon writing projects. It is episodic and temporal though, and when you come back to the material reality that we all experience, you are then self-tasked to interpret the experience and the information given to you during the experience for the benefit of others. That is the life of creative people, and as you know, is a hallmark of the bi-polar personality. It's really tough to discipline one's self so as not to allow that pattern of behavior to bleed over into our everyday relationships and personality.

Meditation can lead to these states, as can the judicious use of mind-altering substances, but I have found that patience and private expectation of these experiences will always allow them to occur when they are needed for clarity of self-expression. In the meantime, you can only access and cram as much information into your personal memory banks as possible.

Good to talk with you again !

flow....

[soma]

The path I mention is to develope the end of the duality of belief. It sounds like your belief, Cannajan is that we are separate from each other and from God. This means there are many Gods in many colors and shapes. When we are tired of being separate and eliminate our desires, we eliminate selfishness and start to love. When we love we become one with the love, uniting object and subject.

As we acquire love, we see that nothing exist in isolation so the nature of our being is unity, a love of body, mind and spirit. Wholeness or holiness can be achieved with a watchful mind and the knowledge that everything is united in God, if old fears, doubts and prejudices wear away to make room for new ideas and understanding.

[canajan, eh?]

soma, on Aug 4 2007, 06:31 PM, said:

The path I mention is to develope the end of the duality of belief. It sounds like your belief, Cannajan is that we are separate from each other and from God. This means there are many Gods in many colors and shapes.

And I say to you, Soma, as an angel speaking from the Other Side, how much greater and more wondrous is the heart that can embrace trillions of angels as opposed to only one?

The idea of unity which you express is an ancient one. It was ancient when I taught 2,000 years ago about love and forgiveness. The idea of unity, of oneness, of a sweeping away of all distinctions is most appealing when you're exhausted, or terrified, or in pain. It's an idea that sounds terrific. It sounds like, well, like salvation when all you've known is abuse from other human beings -- abuse from authoritarian parents, abuse from status-anxiety-ridden peers, abuse from religious and secular agencies. How lovely it sounds, the idea of blissful surrender to a floating and ethereal oneness. There might be peace in such a state -- or so you dream.

You make the assumption, Soma, that in separateness (though I prefer to use the more accurate word "uniqueness") there can be only pain and distance from God. Though I do not wish to be harsh with you, dear friend, I must say that your position on separateness shows a lack of wisdom and genuine insight into the experience of being a Christ. It is a position which demonstates a lack of unfolding of your soul's innate sense of trust in God. Your soul, which guides you from within your human biology (your soul and your link to God is the Kingdom Within), is struggling to help your conscious human mind understand that Divine Love is a unity of shared purpose, not a unity of mind and body. We, as angels, share a sense of wholeness and safety and peace in our angelic lives. We share a commitment to Divine values. We share a unified, familial desire to always give our utmost in service to our Mother, our Father, and each other. We share a desire to always be kind and gracious and humble. We are, if I may be so bold as to say, extremely polite -- it's part of our angelic nature. But though we share values in common, we do not share the same talents and interests. We do not share the same physical appearance. We don't even share the same gender, as about half of all angels are male, and the other half are female -- as you would more or less expect, when our loving God is a loving, blissfully married couple! (NOTE: By this statement I do NOT intend to indirectly imply that homosexual orientation is in any way unacceptable in God's eyes. There are definitely angels who share an eternal bond of love with same-gendered angels. But there are only two genders, as it were, and yes, just in case you'd like to know, female angels on the Other Side often have a thing about 4D-type-shoes, and male angels are into 4D-type-gadgets.)

Your task, Soma, is not to dissolve your uniqueness as one of God's many angels. Your task is to trust God's wisdom in making you the unique individual you are. The Christ-in-human-form does not snub God's generous gifts by seeking out ancient and basically worthless teachings about unity. The Christ-in-human-form seeks instead to understand the very values that all angels share -- values that can be briefly encapsulated by "love your God" and "love your neighbour as yourself."

It is true what you say -- that nothing exists in isolation. But that's not the same thing as saying that we're all one, that we all somehow dissolve into God. When you understand at a spiritual level that nothing exists in isolation, the next step is to love your neighbour as yourself -- even if your neighbour should happen to be a scorpion.

When you are able to see a scorpion as a unique being, loved every bit as much as you by God, then you'll be much closer to the Kingdom Within.

Have a great day, all. Love to you, blessed Mother and Father.
Amen. Jesus
August 5, 2007

[canajan, eh?]

Hey, Earl -- nice to hear from you.

Love Jen

[canajan, eh?]

flowperson, on Aug 4 2007, 12:10 PM, said:

Meditation can lead to these states, as can the judicious use of mind-altering substances, but I have found that patience and private expectation of these experiences will always allow them to occur when they are needed for clarity of self-expression.

Holy smokes, Flow, I gotta disagree big-time with your statement that meditation can lead to these states, as can the judicious use of mind-altering substances. Meditation is great for reducing stress. Alpha waves are important for overall mental health. But alpha waves don't do diddley-squat for helping you connect with your inner wisdom. For that you need non-aberrant gamma brainwaves -- the highest frequency brainwaves that can show on an EEG.

To get the gamma brainwaves that help you connect with your inner soul and with your guardian angel and with your God, you need to look after your physical brain -- treat it with tender loving care. That means no mind-altering substances, even in judicious quantities! That means no alcohol, no cannabis (especially no cannibis), no street drugs of any kind.

I'm really good at what I do (channelling, that is) because I live a squeaky clean life. My levels of serotonin et al are just fine, thank you very much. I take the time each day to consciously reflect on my thoughts, feelings, and choices. I check in with God on a regular basis. When I realize I've made a mistake, I try to correct it as appropriately as possible. I know how to say I'm sorry. I know how to say "I love you." These practices keep my brain (and my body) on an even keel.

What would I recommend for someone who has a diagnosis of major depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia? Aren't anti-depressants, mood stabilizers, and anti-psychotics mind-altering drugs? Well, if it were my family member, I'd say "take the prescription meds -- they can help stabilize your brain chemistry while you learn to make better choices in your life." Many studies show the best outcomes are achieved when patients combine medications with psychotherapy (as opposed to meds alone or psychotherapy alone). Be sensible. Do the best you can to reduce stress in your life. Meditate. Get your sleep. Eat chocolate. And give as many hugs as possible. Don't have anybody close at hand who wants a hug? Give God a hug. God loves your hugs. You can never go wrong giving an angel a hug.

Now I'm gonna go make myself a cup of fresh ground, fair trade organic coffee, 'cause a couple of cups of coffee per day don't hurt the brain at all.

Love Jen

[flowperson]

Hi Jen:

Let's agree to disagree. We each have our own ways of reaching higher states of consciousness, with the desired result of "channeling" unique information sources and states of being. You have your unique methods, and I bless your use of them and the results of it all that you share with others, and the rest of us have ours.

I was trying to describe a personal method and set of experiences that may be unique to me. In today's society I believe that we all need to be very cautious about over medicating our senses and thought processes, especially so with prescribed pharmaceutical substances. If anything, regular use of these to alter one's natural mind functions in order to attain some generally accepted societal norm may become an insidious homogenizing and corrupting influence within communities.

You seem to know a lot about the currently known aspects of how one's brain operates, but of course that is not all there is to know. And I remember and understand how you have come to your opinions and beliefs. We humans are a diverse lot, at least genetically if nothing else.

We are entering an age where individual thought and action will usually take precedence over team approaches in the long run. That can only spring from an base of original thought and action, which of course is the rocky road to subjective experiences influencing objective outcomes. The results can be destructive or uplifting and inspirational. One could say that this an open invitation to bi-polar disorders and behaviors. But that's my feeble definition of what it means to function and contribute as a human being today and in the future. And I also believe that this was what was meant when our great teacher taught us that our way would be narrow and difficult.

As I said above, at least as caring individuals, we can agree to disagree. And I love my cuppa joe in the a.m. also.

flow....

This post has been edited by flowperson: 05 August 2007 - 09:39 AM

[soma]

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The Christ-in-human-form does not snub God's generous gifts by seeking out ancient and basically worthless teachings about unity.

Our uniqueness must be respected that means ancient teachings and unity.

Live in Unity Ephesians 4:1-6

I, therefore, the prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live worthily of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, making every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body and one Spirit, just as you too were called to the one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

An open mind channels, Love