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  2. JoWillie, Is this a good thing or a bad thing, in your mind, that America was not so founded? i guess it might be bad if one thinks of the USA as a Christian nation or would like it to be a Christian nation but it is good if one is a secularist or simply a religious person who believes and accepts a separation between Church and State. I thought it might be the former for you but I'm now allowing that it might be the latter. Of course, we do have the trumpster who postures as if it is the former, conducts himself as one who separates yet respects neither Church or State and through it all consistently violates both Scripture and the Founding Documents ;+{
  3. Welcome JoWillie I think most people past and present here would agree that the founding fathers were secular in flavor. Like Paul, I am not American but I would be happy to see a more secular US.
  4. The Ukraine Airlines PS 752 fiasco is fallout from the general's assassination. Anyway last week I was listening to a cartoonist (Bruce MacKinnon) about PS 752, and as he described his cartoon on CBC radio it reminded me of the apparently causal nature of the universe, which in turn prompted me to write a piece for my blog … Connectivity In a nutshell … the downing of the airliner was not Trump's fault, but without his actions it would most likely not have happened.
  5. The interesting thing with Warren is, I did the quiz again and I put in what would be the opposite of what I thought. Warren still came in second (albeit as a poorer match). Bernie came in first. The sad thing is, I think any of them would be better than Trump. And Joseph had suggested I had not tried to see the good things the Trump administration has accomplished. Here is a list that Trump claims he has done. https://www.whitehouse.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/
  6. Welcome to the Forum JoWillie. We encourage new members to share a little about themselves, if they are willing, in the section called Introduce Yourself. I hope you might choose to introduce yourself and I hope you might enjoy engaging with others here, of course whilst respecting contrary opinions. I'm not an American myself, so I don't get too excited personally as to whether your country was or was not established by people with a certain view of God in mind. I have to admit though, I think a worldly establishment is probably much better than a 'Godly' one just because I think that usually those who have a particular view of exactly how such a Godly establishment should look like, usually end up making it hell for everybody else! The British weren't the first to discover Australia some 40,000 to 80,000yrs after our indigenous Australians arrived (when Australia was joined by land up through Indonesia and further north) but indeed when they set their mind to establishing Australia as part of the British Empire there was a fair bit of genocide and general disdain/disregard for the original inhabitants of the land here too. We are a 'Christian' nation also (statistically) but thankfully it is generally more 'relaxed' and Aussies are a lot more tolerant of religions I think than perhaps some parts of the US.
  7. I may have to reassess whether Warren should actually be my pick too! Not that it matters much to an Aussie who's not allowed to vote in that election!
  8. A whle ago Joseph asked which of the Democratic candidates appealed to me most … I wanted to say Yang, but did not really have a good basis for that reply. Well The Washington Post came to my rescue with this handy dandy little quiz. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/policy-2020/quiz-which-candidate-agrees-with-me/ And guess who agreed with me most on the twenty highlighted questions.
  9. This one is perfect Burl especially with Joseph 'leaning' away from the horn.
  10. 1.) No place in Scripture states or even implies "All Men Are Created Equal." 2.) No place in Scrupture states or demonstrates anyone has "Inalienable Rights To Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." 3.) The Names of God and Jesus are not written in America's Founding Documents. 4.) No Scripture is cited within The Founding Documents. 5.) None of the specified features of America's Government or system of voting to elect its leaders is from Scripture. 6.) America was founded upon genocide of Native Americans, involuntary slavery via human trafficking, theft, White Supremacy, political deception, rebellion against Kingly authority, and military conquest for economic gain. None of this is taught or commanded in Scripture. 7.) Godliness in Scripture specifies that Christians are to "Love Your Enemies," not to kill them as British Soldiers. 8.) America was not founded as a Theocracy upon the Mosaic Torah, which is the only way a True Theocracy can exist under God, and has been historically limited to the Hebrew Nation of Ancient Isreal. 9.) The Symbology and official buildings of America were heavily influenced by Freemasonry, with a majority of its Founding Fathers being Masons, and its founding dates being directly linked to European Masonry. Freemasonry serves the program of Lucifer. 10.) America's Founding Documents were assembled and ratified after much debate, conflict of ideology, and compromise, which in no manner shows the earmarkings of how God creates and directs Divinely purposed endeavors. 11.) America's Founding Documents were purposefully constructed to supposedly protect its Citizens from Government Corruption and abuse. No such Government founded upon the inevitable weakness of human nature can be called "Godly In Principle." 12.) No person today can readily cite what are the presumed "Godly Principles" upon which America was founded.
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  12. I think that is a flaw with our current democratic processes in both our countries! I've always been against Dictatorship, unless I was the dictator and then I would make it all perfect! Until some new regime decides that it is unhealthy once again and changes the rules back! Ah, the continuum of life!
  13. Well, the truth be known , neither one was really popular. Our system picks our choices for us and then they make promises they can't keep and let us vote.🙂 I wasn't aware of that . Yep, the arbitrary points (norms) on the continuum continue to change. What was once considered a character flaw (gambling) here is now healthy. One can imagine what some will do to make their candidate win now that money can be personally made from it by anyone. 🙂
  14. I understand it's legal and all and how your voting system weighs votes, just pointing out that he wasn't the most popular person voted for. Mate, we would gamble on two drops of rain running down a window pane to see which one hits the bottom first! And you've not gambled properly until you've played our "Two-Up". Gambling is regarded as part of a wholesome character here - who would trust somebody not prepared to put their money where their mouth is! Edit - It seems up until Trump's reign, betting on US Presidential Elections was illegal, but your courts have now said (in 2018) that not being allowed to bet on these outcomes is unconstitutional. Subsequently, in many US States you can now bet, with more coming on line soon. https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/how-to/bet-on-politics/
  15. I don't disagree and I don't think one needs to research too deeply with many politicians, but still there seems to be a resignation that lies, deceit, exaggeration are just part of the game, so if people are content to have such people run their country, then they get what they ask for I guess. Indeed, a similar game is played here in Oz. Perception, indeed!
  16. Apologizes Ranger as I misread your comment on the above.
  17. Well you are correct and for good reasons you can look up if interested. So you Aussies gamble on elections eh? That sounds like real wholesome 'character' . 😀
  18. Unfortunately very few saints have the inclination to run for office here in the US. It takes an enormous amount of money and friends in high places to compete. It also routinely uses many times lies and exaggerations which might fall in your description of 'poor character' when one researches very deeply. Trump didn't fit in the system well and was hated from the start so they dug pretty deep and yes to get where he was perhaps there was plenty. New York is known for it. 🙂 I ran for senator in KY in the 90's and my background is relatively clean by most any standard. I took no money from PACS (political action committees) and they (a then powerful KY senator and cohorts of the same party backing another which is not considered ethical in a primary) made up dirt, and used every trick in the book and i lost by a few hundred votes after much hard work and using mostly my own money. The political scene , i found can be a dirty game. No regrets now and learned some great lessons first hand. At what point on the the continuum does character become 'poor' ??? 😄
  19. I would find it hard to vote if I was a US citizen. I lean toward Republican policies but think Trump and many (i.e. a lot of) GOP members are bad for the country. That said, there's a lot of negatives on the Democratic side also. Then there's the notion of supporting a smaller party or independent who in actual fact probably are a better quality candidate, but to me that's a wasted vote because it just doesn't count enough at the end of the day. As I'm not a US citizen, my preference is for somebody that can improve America's relations with the rest of the world. So with a heavy heart, I vote that I would prefer to see Warren as President (followed by Sanders) but could easily consider a GOP vote if there was another candidate put forward in Trump's stead (more substantial than Walsh or Weld that is). Who do I think is going to win? Sadly, at this point, I think Trump will get across the line again.😢 But that's not what the poll is asking.
  20. Well to be fair, it seems the majority of US citizens agreed with me (and others) and wanted to see Hillary as the next President compared to Trump (Hillary - 65,853,514 versus 62,984,828) but as you know, your electoral system didn't allow the most popular person with the US voters to be put into the top job. I should also point out that the poll wasn't about who people thought would win, but rather who they preferred to win. I still think my choice was a winning preference, but I can understand why you lot wanted a lying deceiver rather than a criminal cartel in the chair . Americans eh! Incidentally, I did win $600 by betting on the correct winner of our Aussie government last year when everybody said they couldn't win. The bookmakers even paid out over $2m to punters who bet the Opposition would win, over a week before the election was even held! Edit - I just checked one of the main bookies here (Sportsbet) and Trump is currently offering $1.83 with the closest contender being Joe Biden at $5. Not bad odds for Joe, but not enough in it to tempt me backing Trump (yet).
  21. As you know, I'm all for consensual sex. But lying to people and trying to cover the matter up cuts to character, whether running for president or not, in my opinion. Same with Bill Clinton - trying to deceive people cuts to character. What I'm amazed about is how prepared people are to accept poor character in their leaders. How does one say with a straight face - this person is a great leader when they lie, deceive and exaggerate to achieve their ends. To me, it doesn't seem the character that any society should be prepared to accept of their leaders.
  22. I'm not arguing that any of your Presidents were peacemakers or that Trump is not any better than another - my reference was only in regard to Burl saying "Blessed are the peacemakers. No war with Russia. North Korea's disarmament will earn Trump a Nobel. The multiple wars in the mideast no longer include the US. I have never seen a first term president have such astounding success." So yes, he had a meeting with NK but that hasn't improved anything. So I don't see him getting brownie points for telling us he has done so much to improve things on that front when nothing has changed. Perhaps the US needed elements of Trump, but I think the trade-offs outweigh the good he might do. It doesn't surprise me that certain demographics support Trump. I know you're joking concerning your Village - of course they love Trump and I know you know that a poll held in another demographic would return exactly the opposite result. Trump plays to 'his' people and alienates those who disagree with him. I'm not sure you're accurate about Trump being more popular. I guess it may come down to which polling you consider. But there is a reason why the majority of the country disprove of his performance compared to approving it. What I mean about the middle east and conflict is that it has been a miserable situation for all involved. What the picture will be, it will be. Peace could well come about by nuking a few countries. Would that be a good result?
  23. Here it is make your choice from this list of current candidates.
  24. BTW - I just closed the old poll in post 1. Will be starting a new one soon. Geez, you guys here had Trump in last place. I guess your not too good at picking winners. lol😄
  25. You might do the same if you were running for President and were so inclined to enjoy consensual sex beforehand, No? 🙂 Heck President Bill Clinton did it in the Oval office with Lewinsky, while president, No? You don't see me attacking his character now that i know better. 🙂
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